What if anything will change illegal immigration?
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It isn't 'silent amnesty'. It is rejecting a bigger problem couched as a solution in order to properly solve the problem with a better plan.
ANYTHING involving a guest worker program needs the visa exit tracking system as a trigger, for starters. They keep putting that off, despite CURRENT legal requirements. Nothing they are doing is increasing credibility of the government on this issue.
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edit, it is already mandated and the date has passed. Homeland Security testified to the Judiciary Committeee (I'm pretty sure that was the committee) this spring that it wasn't cost effective (towards catching terrorists, rather than illegal immigrants) to put it in place by its new delayed date. I'll get the name. They already have an automated system for students which is how they caught those 11 Egyptian students who absconded rather than reporting to Universities last summer, within 10 days. However, most of he rest of the I-94s have to be manually searched, and are not in a database to flag overstayers as they should be.
Here is a summary of something tagged into the current Homeland Security funding:
"US-VISIT would also have $230 million withheld from the $462 million budget the committee approved. US-VISIT is tracking the entry of foreigners at nearly all of the nation’s land, sea and airports, but the department cannot figure out how to track their exit.
The committee wants Homeland Security to set a schedule for creating an exit-tracking system — or admit that it can’t be done within five years — before it provides the full funding. Lawmakers matched President Bush’s request for a $99 million increase for US-VISIT. "
I don't think having Homeland Security admit it 'can't be done' in 5 years is sufficient. I think it needs to be done. If they can track them coming in, why CAN'T they track them leaving?
http://federaltimes.com/index.php?s=2814...
all i know is they do not deserve any amnesty. the legal immigrants was not given amnesty, they payed to come here. because of illegals it's putting a hold on the ones who is trying to come in the right way. i don't think gang bangers should be included in anything. they need to be deported with out any questions asked. i think Americans are mad at this bunch of illegals because of what they did. they burned out flags and demanded rights when they are illegal. if they want to be here that bad, then they need to do it legally. no amnesty.
Start charging the criminals that hire them and put them in jail. I really don't care that most are Republicans using them for slave labor.
Maybe those that hire them can be worked as slave laborers instead of getting rich off their backs and pawning the rest of the upkeep onto us!
I think we have been through this before. Once legal they will want to be paid so the rich will just go out and find some more illegals! It is a cycle that will not be broken until the rich stop being coke heads and criminal employers. They get away with it! Those whose backs they made their money do not!
Why do we need a bill? Why can't congress simply direct federal agencies and police departments at all levels to enforce our laws? It is because our congress is made up of people who prostitute themselves to the interest of big business. Democrats and Republicans both are on the take and it is time for the citizens of this country to wake up to that fact and vote each and every one of these crooks from public office.
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There is nothing wrong with existing laws. They simply are not being enforced. How do we create a "bullet proof" law? We can't if our federal government refuses to enforce it. If a large group of people decided to rob banks, would the fact that there was suddenly a surge in bank robberies mean our existing law was ineffective? No. It would indicate that an increasing number of criminals made a decision to break the law. Therefore, the failure of immigration laws is not related to the law itself, but to the fact that greater numbers of people have decided that the law doesn't apply to them. If we choose to not enforce laws against any particular criminal activity, then criminals will increasingly break those laws because of a lack of consequence.
My view on immigration is colored by the fact that my wife and her family are legal immigrants. They waited 5 1/2 years for their turn to come to this country. They couldn't simply swim the Pacific Ocean and show up on our border. The fact that a country is contigious to ours does not negate the requirement for citizens of that country follow the laws of this country if they desire to immigrate. This lack of respect, concurrent with the fact that the government of Mexico refuses to police their side of the border is what has caused this problem. The lack of action by our government to address this issue over the last 25 years is inexcusable and is cause to vote each and every one of them out of office.
Nothing will change illegal immigration.It will continue to happen unless somehow the US wastes a lot of money try to kick all of them out and then constructs several walls and uses the military to guard the border.Or they could spend that money trying to fix the Latin American countries,although this too would probably just as quickly backfire.Were screwed,well at least you are.I'm on the other side of the agenda so if it works out I'll probably end up pretty good.Lol looking back I can't even think of a way to have avoided this from happening unless you somehow went back in time and murdered several other peoples.Too bad.
Start slingin some lead.
do you ever watch the congress in TV?
do you ever watch the president in TV?
there is not much we can do my darling
is just a dictatorship with a fake democracy
I know.MAKE IT ILLEGAL.
Evidently there has been dialog that I have missed, so I will only give a brief overview of my position. Immigration laws already exist. Your statements about "trust the government" and "can't go back on" do not fit into that basic truth. We should have been able to trust the government to enforce the laws that already existed... they did not. My position is just start enforcing the laws that already exist. Why, when it becomes unpopular with a large group of voters do politicians just decide to change the law? Why do supporters of immigration reform want to blame those who oppose it for the plight of the immigrants instead of those who chose to break the law? Why would we want to give citizenship to millions of people who decided that their very first act in connection to our country was to commit a criminal act? I have no opposition to immigration. Any of us who are not descendants of "American Indians" are part of families that came from somewhere else. I am VERY against illegal immigration... simply because it is.. ILLEGAL!!
Pissed off Americans!
It's because Mrs. Howell needs a pool boy and gardener, but does not want to pay mimimum wage so she hires and illegal who will work for dirt and a jalapeno.
People who hire illegals are guilty.
What I find absolutely amazing about this country is, that it is always the minority voice in this country that gets their way, because of crooked politics and tree hugging liberals.
The gov tried something like this in 1986 and 1965 and they didn't secure the borders and it was back to more of the same. So what makes you think this will be any different?
I answered your last question. Your ideas were good,but they are not in the pending bill.
1.There is no order to secure the borders immediately,nor hire more border control. It should be the first thing done before anything else is even talked about. We all know this will never be done because they do not want the borders secure.
2.While the electronic visa is a great idea,they are now trying to get the whole idea of any sort of national ID axed from the bill.
3.There is no provision to require them to register within 60 days nor get a physical within 30 days.
4. No mention of deportation if they don't full fill the requirements.
I have no problem with people working towards citizenship as long as they have been here working,been a contributing member of society,and are willing to be an American. I do have a problem with the provision to give all of them immediate legal status. There is no requirement for them to do anything else,ever. That is where the amnesty comes in. A reward is given for an illegal activity with no penalty.
If they were going to actually screen people to make sure the POS get out and they enfoced our border.and I mean REALLY enforce our border then maybe.
But, so far all I have heard are a bunch of promises that we have heard before that were never kept.
See what happens when you don't keep a promise? No one believes you the next time.
If they would do the following.
Build a fence,
Enforce our existing laws
Set up some kind of screening, and I mean real screening to get those that don't belong out. (Criminal, Health, and proof of how long they have been here) Anyone with a criminal record, health problems/diseases, or cannot prove that they have been here at least 10 years...OUT!
Repeal the 14th Amendment and make it that one parent is a citizen
Make social benefits only for those that are citizens
IF they can show that they are going to do these simple things then maybe. But, as it stands now, and the way that the bill is set up...no. I am even willing to let those that have been here for a while (at least 10 years) that are hardworkers stay.
All I want is something realistic. This is nothing but a bandaid that is going to cause more problems. I am tired of my tax dollars being spent on special programs for people that aren't even legally here all the while I am sitting here paying $4000 a year to make sure my son gets a decent education.
The passing will put 12 million more officially on social security and welfare. Granted their kids get welfare, but the parents don't. Also, the passage makes them eligible for free / next to free housing and on and on. Get ready to open your pocketbook even wider.
start protesting your govt. for letting them in, and using them!
I like it when you said. . ."Ok, some of you don't want the bill passed for various reasons.Why,what will change if it gets voted down?NOTHING.You are granting silent amnesty by protesting the bill."
but that part that was not even close to being true is them "protesting the bill." did you hear the turn out, probably not, but it was very low. no one cares. that was funny.
Um they need to make guns more accessible to like 15 year old like i who would willingly take up an assault rifle to go down to the border and take some illegal hostages!
It is my opinion that our immigration laws are quite silly and that we need to rectify how we deal with immigration. Any sort of bill that goes through congress needs three things. 1. amnesty (or some form of it) 2. increased enforcement/visa tracking 3. guest worker program.
Without those three things none of the others will ever work.
1. Our government let them into the country in the first place and they are integrated into America. Many of them want to participate in the US. Let em stay.
2. We don't have room to continue to harbor record amount of immigrants we need some sort of regulation. And possibly make it easier/cheaper for people to immigrate legally.
3. America seems dependent on some form of slave labor so I guess America needs a guest worker program. Although I'm not sure on that one.
Illegal immigration would stop if opportunities in Mexico were at least as good as they are here. It would slow considerably if we were serious about patrolling the borders and monitoring visa-overstayers. But the best way to stop illegal immigration is to have high LEGAL immigration quotas.
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