Are the English really a mogrel race?!?
Hmmm. Well, looking back into history, it is true that first came the Anglo-Saxons, who drove out the Welsh and settled our land. Then came the Vikings who after much raping and pillaging, eventually settled and mixed with the Saxons. Finally, there was the Norman conquest, 1066 and all that. But for the next 900 years or so, England saw little mass-immigration. Surely 900 years of breeding constitutes a race of people?
Just to clarify a few things - the Romans were a´n occupying force and didn´t settle en mass. Immigration today is said to be happening 20 times faster than the Viking/Saxon settlers and of course after generations they´re often noticably non Anglo-Saxon.
Raise your White Dragon flag!
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The English are an amalgam of all that is best of the European settlers. It took the best part of 900 years for them to blend into the elite that they have now become.
It is only during the last 30 or 40 years that efforts to water down our blood line by importing undesirable elements from backward countries that are now bringing disrepute into our quality as a nation.
yes, what consititutes a race? how many years/ generations ?
My family is 5 generations Canadian and I still get asked what my ancestoral heritage is. I suppose that we were derived from England/Ireland/Scotland but because there are no real records when do we start a race?
Proudly white anglo saxon Canadian
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Learn to spell. That's m-o-n-g-r-e-l, mongrel.
As to your question, my response is, "What difference does it make?" Of course, the term mongrel is used to offend. Cheap trick.
The word you are looking for is mongrel.
Wow that sounds like a well thought out question!
So what was the question again?
Nope, it's the gypsies of Hungary.
there is not one purebred race so I guess we are all mongrels
actually mongrel is a canine expression..not usually applied to humans
i`m turning the lights off when i leave
NO! I think you are being pretty nasty! We are humans, not animals!
yes, most races are mongrel. But that isnt the question. Immigration concerns aarent about the color or genetics of the people, but the culture. As more muslims, mexicans chinese and africans move into an area, history and customs are lost. Just like when white colonials mved into africa or native american lands. Anytime two cultures mix, much is lost.
Today there is not one clear race, except maybe some on distant and isolated islands in the Pacific. It is true especially for Europe: the Franks, the Visigoths, the German, the Slaves, the Jews and others are mixed together to establish a nation. If you check every German might have Turkish, or Slavic or other roots. Same for French, for Spaniards and for others
Yep, but that is good thing. First rule of genetics, spread the genes about. Look at Amazon tribes in South America inter breed for generations they are usually still living like cavemen.
yes ::::: but at least we can spell , and "look after" when the going gets tough ..the white dragon ::!!!
What is your point? That the English are a race? No one is arguing that.The world is much smaller today, than in those ancient times.People are now mobile and easily migrate.No race will ever be pure..Sorry to disappoint you.
well, whomever they are mixed with, they should only allow people with good teeth into their country now, so that the new immigrants can pretty up the gene pool
There is only one race - the human race. The artificial constructs separating segments of that race into so-called races is, by definition, a mongrelization process. The only segment that could be considered pure and without genetic/DNA defect would be the first - the Blacks.
Just as all dogs came from one wolf ancestor, all humans come from one Black ancestor. In other words, if you ain't Black, u is a mongrel.
to the guy above me Ben,
Please! Spare us the Kindergarten phrases such as "there is only one race, the human race etc."
Acknowledging that there are different races and that we humans have differences does not constitute racism. It constitutes reality. Time to take the fluffy pink shades off. (yes, I know its ironic I say this...)
Do I see a little sour grapes your question
All peoples of all nations have been traced back to the cradle of the human species in Africa (according to geneology experts).
But it is true that some countries are more inbred than others. How must it feel to be chinese, japanese or indian etc. and look like every body you know could be your own brother or sister.
Some human conditions are inherited, and wasn't it said that one of the isles lying off the coast of Britain had a higher incidence of congenital illness than should have been the norm in general population through inbreeding?
Mongrel do'es sound quite offensive. Human race sounds about right. Stark differences with cultures and beliefs, but still men and women.
I think that 900 years of settling constitutes an actual race, but I'm sure they mean "mongrel" in comparison to other, less mixed races. I guess you could call others "purer" but that gives the impression the English race is dirty or something, which you obviously aren't. Seriously, the picture of a mongrel race? Ha! Try America, we totally don't even HAVE a race. I'm proud to be a mutt, personally. I'm Polish, Lithuanian, German, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English (it's a true race, I tell you!) and perhaps French.
nowt wrong with us British ---Just we are a soft touch country.
But they imported their Rulers from Germany recently and culturally that is obviously more important that where the common people came from.
You can track all the tribes that ended up in England across Europe. but before that it is conjecture.
I really do not get the point of calling names.
1. The English aren't a race... no more than the Spanish, the French, Germans, Mexicans etc.
2. If that keeps up soon the state, county, or even the city that you belong to will be a race.
3. The above naming of a race is mostly used to divert attention from the real issue.
For example, in the US one is called a raciest if he is opposed to illegal immigrants... most specifically as a racist against Mexicans (a country) or Latinos in general (a language). The real issue of having control over who is allowed to enter a country to take advantage of jobs, schools, or social services is ignored. Mainly because the arguments against such controls are weak to nonexistent.
ok ok there is no pure race... i think what your saying is yes we should have some imigrants but not as many as what the fools are letting into the country... anyone can get in here now!! its like a free for all.. ryan air should raise the prices of air fare for one!! that would deter a few of the scroungers..
we are british whatever these morons say!! we stopped the french under napoleon invading and adolfs army too!!
lets stop the eastern block now churchill was right .. its from the east they will come ..who we will have to fight!!!
Are Americans really a genocide thieving race? They stole the land from the Native Americans and wiped most of them out. Columbus even wrote that they were a peaceful STUPID race and it would be easy to take their land from them.
Good narrative.
I guess if you go far enough in the human past and if you check the Genographic maps, you would have to assume that there is not one nation on the face of the earth whose people aren't "mongrelized".
I have to laugh when someone says they are 100% Italian or Spanish or German. As if raping, pillage and conquering never existed.
If you look back into the history of any country in the world, there has always been at some point a mixing of races. It is what made humans into what they are today.
And, incidently, did these so-called intelligent, exponents you speak of mean Emgland only of were they including the whole of United Kingdom in their assessment that they are a mongrel (not mogrel) breed?
Scottish people are quite happy to let it be known that they have scandanavian, viking blood in them. The only blood they will not accept as running through their veins (no matter how diluted) is English.
What always saddens me in ANSWERS is the intolerance of forum members toward (a) the type of question someone may ask (b) the questioner's poor spelling, (c)the lack of knowledge that some folks have in certain areas (d) the private opinion of the questioner.
Many contributors in ANSWERS may have only basic education. It is really not fair to criticize and insult them.
In this case we have NESBO, who by the very wording of his question shows that his knowledge is somewhat limited.
In the first place the ENGLISH are NOT a race, they are a people.
They began as a pure group called Britons. Then they were infused with DANES and then ROMANS. Roman soldiers occupied Britain for about 300 years. Many of the soldiers were black (from Libyan slaves), others were Greek. Italian and Moorish. By the time the German and French influence occurred we can certainly call the English people MONGRELS.
Incidentally the Concise Oxford Dictionary defines MOINGREL as
"any person who is not of a pure race" , in addition to the canine reference, so that term is not in any way derogatory.(Blondie please notice)
Many of those that answered NESBO'S question correctly pointed out that there are none or very few pure races and that we are all a "mixed breed".
I wonder how many bothered to notice that this was NESBO'S only second question in the forum. Let's hope that as he reads and contributes answers in the forum his interest and knowledge will benefit as it has done with all of us who enjoy this wonderful program.
nice one
ben
All "races" are mongrel, or mixed if you prefer. We're all just human beings. The differences between us are cultural more than anything. Those differences are real, but much more complicated than labels like Black or White, or even English or Welsh. Do middle class and working class people share the same culture? Townies and country folk? Northerners and Southerners? Scousers and Mancs? The answer in each case is yes and no. We're all just people at the end of the day, we need to learn to live and let live.
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