Question about illegal Immigrants and their children?
I understand a lot of immigrants leave family behind to migrate across the border. So obviously it's not inhumane.
We separate our military forces from their families for years at a time in some cases.
In more than just a few cases we take away the parental rights from one parent or another in bad divorces (and these are American citizens).
We separate children from their parent(s) if the parent breaks the law and goes to jail. Illegal immigrant sounds like some type of law is being broken.
Is anyone being forced to leave their children behind in the US when they get deported? If we pay for the parent to be deported and not the children, I can see how that can be considered a little cruel.
What am I missing?
Answer:
You arent missing anything. The parents make the decision-to take the child with them to their country of origin or leave them here in the US (where the child has citizenship). The problem arises when a large number of people are picked up at a work site or whereever - not allowed to make arrangements for their childrens care- the child could be at day care, or a babysitters house. That is inhumane!
no i think you pretty much have it right.
I believe you nailed it on the head. thanks !!!
They knew the possible consequences when they came here illegally. You have a valid point, how is it more cruel then seperating a child from a parent who is going to jail or serving in the military or when they leave their kids in their native country. No difference. Just not as much time to say good bye.
Now you're getting it! The illegal immigrants will push any kind of sympathy ploy they can to get to continue their illegal acts. Remember these children are growing up with lawbreakers. These parents are contributing to the delinquency of minors. They often stand up in front of groups and claim they will vote the wishes of their parents! Those wishes are not legal wishes and those children have grown up learning subversive tactics. If these were American Children -- born to American parents, the government would be accusing us of training with Alquida or some other subversive group--even gangs. But children of illegal immigrants? They just get the country handed to them on a platter at the expense of American Citizens and law-abiding immigrants.
When our schools want a referendum passed, they claim we should do it for the children although what they're doing to the parents via higher taxes and less time at home is not considered. So, the illegals have learned that when you ask to "keep families together" and "do it for the children" and it works for any amount of time -- they use it. The fact is they are all horrible parents who are using their children to further their illegal acts and they need to be exposed as such. People who think it's all right to teach their children how to break laws and scheme and plan are contributing to the delinquency of minors just as any parent to gives their kid alcohol or cigarettes. It's time to wake up America. Do you want your children associated with lawbreakers and subversives? We don't.
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Anchor babies and illegals should really leave together. We are not upholding the constitution.
Don't Judges take an oath to uphold the constitution? HMMM sounds like a new question.
"My own opinion is that all these persons born in the United States and under its authority, owing allegiance to the United States, are citizens without any act of congress."
Can an illegal alien be said to owe the United States allegiance? Can an alien be said not to owe some other country his/her allegiance without evidence?
I am not seeing allegiance.
Ya didn't miss anything. I have always felt that if you want to live in the US then become a US citizen. This includes learning how to speak the language.
In some states there are so many immigrants that the American english speaking citizens are made to learn Spanish.
This is America and our language is english. If we go to live in a different country, do we not learn how to speak that language. If they consider themselves Americans then learn to become one. Think they want to remain the way they were, just benefit from work here. This is so out of hand now that in many places illegal immigrants are the majority. Not the minority any longer. They know the risks when they come here. If they took the time to become a citizen their kids would be safe With the parents.
When my ancestors immigrated from Sweden,Norway & Germany, they came with the intention of becoming a US citizen. They wanted the good life yes, but they took the classes and learned the language and were legal citizens.
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I feel that no one should be separated from their children. On the same token the illegal immigrants need to become US citizens like everyone else. They use the system that they don't pay for. Most of them work but they don't pay taxes. That is were the problem come from. I dont think they should be arrested for being here. They need help to become citizens. Yes the do commit crimes and leave. So do Us citizens. Is it ok for a person to commit a crime and not get any time for it. A person know the consques for doing crime. The children did no anything wrong. Most of the time when someone get deported from one stated they just go to the next state.An officer was killed in the line of duty by someone that was deported from Ca. for indency with a child. He killed the officer in Tx. They just move around and bring there family with them.
you've summed it up right. some parents never get their kids back from children's services.
Very good I'm proud of you and your thoughts-really I'm glad to see people with sence and sight keep it up!
It all goes back to the time bomb set when we made anyone born here a citizen. Break the law and be rewarded by making any child you bring into the world an American Citizen? Do you have any idea how cherished such a status is regarded throughout the world?
Break a law, pay the price. (Unless you're part of Bush's Administration, of course.) This is the way it is anywhere in the World. They chose to break the law, and they ARE NOT forced to leave their children behind. Many choose to because they love their children so dearly...they want them to benefit from the Citizenship that was obtained fraudulently.
If you rob a bank and are caught with the $$$, you serve time and forfeit the cash. But if you illegally enter the Country, your children receive Citizenship... The analogy would be that when something is gained by illegal means, it is taken away. In this case, it would be the citizenship.
Punishing the children? I think not. If their parent stole a bicycle and gave it to them, and the theft was discovered by the police, would returning the bike to the rightful owner and sending the parent to jail, be an "unfair punishment" of the child? We don't send the parent to jail and let the child keep the bike, do we? If a child suffers through the act of a parent, it is the parent who set up the circumstance, not the child.
We're looking at a fundamental principal of law. You can't benefit from your own illegal action. So, why hasn't this been challenged in Court? It is policy, not law, that provides for citizenship for children born here by parents who broke the law getting in here. The law was not intended to encourage the breaking of any other law. It is a law that should never have been put into effect in the first place. People should come here legally and obtain citizenship. Then, their children would become citizens.
Business wants cheap labor. Business runs America.
Look at what immigration has done to union membership in the past forty years. It's not that immigrants will do jobs we won't do. It's that they will do them cheaper. This hurts citizens.
Don't tell me about illegals contribution to society. They do NOT contribute more than what they drain. They're illegals. They have no right to be part of our society.
well, i think seperation from family is always a bad thing...even in the example of the military. it's not ideal.
but you provide a unique perspective, and you made a lot of sense. i think you've helped me clarify some of my own feelings on this issue! great points.
You aren't missing anything. They want to blame the US for splitting up their family when as you pointed out, they have very often left family to sneak in here. They are the ones who decided to have children here so the child will have citizenship and they can attempt to exploit that to stay here...we lock up others who exploit children. The children should be deported with the parents as the parents are the ones who put the children in this situation in the first place.NOT the US.
bravo...you just justified the immoral acts that the united states is doing to families...everyone's happy now?
The pro-illegals may be saying that it's wrong to separate children from their illegal alien criminal parents. However, intelligent and logical people will tell you that it's the PARENTS fault if they are separated. It is NOT the government's fault. Anchor babies are not a free pass to citizenship.
Since they don't want to split up their families, there is a very simple option - Send the whole family back to their home country! That's were they all belong!!
What you're missing is the ability to view illegal immigrants as people instead of as a hot political issue and interesting debate.
All the examples you mentioned occur because it is either in the best interest of the child, or our society. If we need military forces to be in dangerous places, then yes, we have to separate them from their children. If a child is in an abusive or dangerous environment, then yes, we remove the child from that environment. But in both cases, the removal is not done lightly or quickly or arbitrarily.
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