Was Enoch Powell right?
Given the current situation regarding immigration into the UK and the feelings of the population in general regarding immigration, was Powell and his predictions right and should he be regarded as racist or a great MP whose view of the future was totally right and was vilified for saying what others were afraid to say at the time?
Answer:
Yes, this country is not big enough for the mish mash of different religions and cultures that immigration has brought to it. It`s upsets the indigenous population who see things changing for the worse. We are seeing our identity as a nation being eroded. Many immigrants come to live in this country and can`t even be bothered to learn the language. They want the best of both worlds, to carry on with their religion and culture therefore segregating themselves from integration, socialisation and unity.
Yes he was right even more so today.
If he was refering to the town where I live then he would be very right
Yes far right, further right than Genghis Khan,
he made Margaret Thatcher look like a lefty.
Oh yes. there has been blood on our door steps in the past.
Yes he was a very clever man and all who opposed him were scum of the highest order. Life without any coloured immigrants in Britain? Well I don't even need to try and spell that one out for anyone. These people who try and rationalise multiculturlism as some wonderful diverse unification of cultures under the unified guise of one nation are pathetic and don't like to believe that there could be any tension and all is beautiful and only racists destroy the dream of unity. Sorry but it's bullsh*t and they need to pull their heads out of their asses quicktime because the whole world is headed for a massive meltdown. The only reason nationalism has been destroyed in today's world is because Hitler used it in the wrong way. If it wasn't for Hitler and his stupid little fools trying to take over the world Nationalism would be flourishing today and there wouldn't have been any need for mass immigration to have started because world war 2 wouldn't have happened and so many nations wouldn't have needed to quickly rebuild their populations in order to survive. Hitler ruined nationalism and gave rise to the meek who have now inherited the earth.
yes he was 100% correct ..people still now have views opinions , but he was right ..." the English are not allowed to have their say anymore"..to many in power with other agenda's..!!
His warning has not been vindicated ...
At the time it was a political bombshell - the Wilson government put new legislation before the Queen within days to restrict uncontrolled immigration from the commonwealth.
But even if it was wrong (and I believe it was), it was needed for someone to say it just to start the debate and make people appreciate the issues.
I see no rivers of blood, I just see a Britain changing and evolving, yes with problems and challenges, but that has always been the case.
Good question, thank you.
Philip
No, Enoch Powell was NOT RIGHT!
He could NEVER stick to a Party for very long, - he had been a member of all THREE major UK parties, at one point! He WAS though, more "INCLINED" towards the RIGHT WING!
He was a RACIST!
I think Enoch was right on the immigration issue but he had other views on other life issues which were a bit over the top, such as his view that women should stay at home not work just look after hubby and children.
Now that was a bit extreme although something to be said for children having a proper upbringing and family life with a full time parent!
Maybe he did have great vision after all. I have just previewed my text and realised that he also in his way could have forseen the decline in family values
No, he was a fascist retard and so are you.
You're very brave to ask that question on such a PC site. So it deserves an answer. Yes, he was right, we could say what needed to be said back then, these days you can't even say what colour the keys are on a piano without getting into trouble!!
Yes . he was right, but no one else in his party at the time had the intelligence or courage to support him,
In 1968 he had the chance to view how the west of Scotland had coped with mass immigration of Irish over the last hundred years. Had he studied this case, he would have realised that his vision of irretrievable breakdown of society did not occur.
mr sceptic: no blood shed, no loss of life? what about the 7/7 bombings and the Brixton and Toxteth riots those are just a few examples and soon i fear it will get worse as where i stay people cannont gets houses because of the influx of immigrants and are sick of it
A superb mp not like all the tree huggers now
So he also thought that women should stay at home and be tied to the kitchen sink? He was wrong, wrong, WRONG!
Enoch Powell was right. he was not racist he just told the truth
He was a crazy old Nazi. Sorry but you're all a bunch of lunatics!
Actually Enoch Powell was not a racist, but he was concerned about the long term effects of mass immigration.
He got it right I'm afraid.
Personally i am not opposed to some immigration, but it is totally out of hand now.
I work in retail, there is (for example) one store in Manchester where 70% of staff & customers are immigrants. The store manager is thinking of arranging English lessons. That says it all really.
Managed immigration, with intergration into both local and the wider community would have been OK. What we are seeing is the loss of our identity, particularrly in England.
OMG SCEPTIC answered a question regarding immigration and Enoch and he did not use his BNP racist rant; that must be a historical moment.
Enoch Powell was victimised in his day just as normal NON liberals are today.
there have been some race riots in this country; however i believe things have not come to a head yet so i think we may very well get a river of blood scenario if things continue.
thanks for pointing that out sceptic it was spell checker.
DONT accuse me of being a BNP member you prick.
i have issues with this country being handed to immigrants who have eroded our culture and have abused our generosity; that does not make me a racist you mofo.
YOU ARE AS RACIST AS THEY COME SCEPTIC
and you dont like any opinion that does not comply with your RACIST anti white british views. YOU and your liberal twat friends are more RACIST than the BNP could ever be.
i think you will find that by saying Mr Powell was right you just putting your self down.
the main thrust of his speech was that black and white people could not live side by side with out killing each other.
i think you will agree that yes there will always be some people who cant get along with anyone but on the most part most people live side by side really well.
where i live the same Asian family have run the local shop for the last 30 years, every morning i see all kinds of people using there shop, there is no conflict no hassle no problems, just working class people going about there lives.
its the same where i work, there are people from all walks of life and all religions and there's no problem.
so i say to you and people like you, you must be seeing what you want to see, if most of the white population think you are right., why are the BNP not getting loads and loads of votes?. the truth is coz most people live in the real world.
as for the riots in the UK, how can you call them race riots when when as my father says, who is a high ranking serving police man, it was black and white youths lobbing bricks and bottles at the police.
did gangs of white or black people go round seeking out each others homes and burning them out, ?...no they lobbed paving slabs and bin lids at the police.
race riots my foot.
Well you stirred a hornets nest with this one didn't you. Having read other comments I'm amazed at some people's arrogance and ignorance, yes Mr Sceptic you spring to mind. The "river of blood" message made by Enoch was a metaphor that has bore fruit. And you can't ignore or gloss over the London bombings, the Oldham & Bradford riots as he has done. Yes Mr Powell may have been just a bigot, who got lucky with his predictions. Or, as is my suggestion, man is to fickle to embrace fully opposing cultures and therefore we need to advance as a species before we can expect anything to change. Btw To Mr Sceptic and co, attacking White Englishman for their opinions can also be construed as racist, but Enoch was smeared and the smear campaign is still in use today. You are only offered your "free speech" because you say what is expected of you today.
Enoch was definately right, look around now, in some towns you go white hunting, cos there aint none
There is a difference between 'Patriotism' and 'Nationalism'. With the latter, as in Nazi Germany, Hitler thought that Germans were superior to other races. Many in Germany did not agree with him. Being patriotic is simply wanting to keep what has been fought hard for. It isn't a statement of superiority over others who choose to live by different values.
The Nation State evolved for a reason, to retain and protect the common culture, traditions and values of its citizens. Again, perfectly reasonable, because multiculturalism will not work as the lefties would like to think. But then, they don't approve of Nation States or patriotism.
Just as fish need water to survive, each culture is best protected and nurtured in the country that first gave birth to it. Again, this just seems like common sense.
Enoch Powell was not really a party political animal, he needed freedom to express his own views. Regarding immigration, his predictions were indicative of what was likely to happen. Stating now that he was wrong, is a little like saying, " I am not going to die, because I am not dead yet. Again, I think that his caveats were reasonable.
Enoch Powell was entirely wrong in making his so called "Rivers of Blood" speech.
To be totally frank and honest, the average Brit simply does not give a damn about what some see as a problem of immigration.
For myself, so long as something approximating English as she is spoke, issues forth from a person, I pay no attention what so ever to their race colour or creed.
I met a black American who has been doing some work in my house today. He told me he will not be returning to the USA ever and that people here are a million times more tolerant than back home in the States.
This black American already owns 3 houses here in UK and is running several small but profitable businesses. I told him that if he was not careful he would end up a millionaire.
If your problem is that you can't make it, don't blame your own failure on other people's race origins. It just will not wash!
In the area where I live we have a mixed bag of folk. Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis [who own nearly all the shops] and a bunch of Celts and Anglo-Saxons. We all get on extremely well together. If you want to live here, you'll need about £450,000 for the cheapest house.
I think he was a very worried man.
Little did he know how the country would really become.
Sad, but true.
He knew then the problems we are having now, but the powers at B, knew different,, Boy were they Wrong, and Boy was he right.
he was 100% right, and he was a great mp
Yes he was right in every word he said. He predicted what would happen and it has happened.
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