'Beating up illegals' ??? <<<< why do the minute man keep denying they are a racist organization ???
Lawless, an original member of Chris Simcox's vigilante militia before it became the Minuteman Project in early 2005, detailed 11 suggestions for ways to harass and terrorize undocumented immigrants, including robbery and ''beating up illegals'' as they leave their work place, the report states. Martin, following Lawless' suggestions, posted her e-mail to a number of neo-Nazi bulletin boards.
Jose Matus, Yaqui ceremonial leader and director of the human rights group Indigenous Alliance Without Borders, based in Tucson, pointed out that indigenous people who live along the border - from California to Texas - and others migrating for work from Central and South America are victims of the growing racism by members of the Minutemen and Border Guardians.
Matus compared the Border Guardians to the Ku Klux Klan. ''Border Guardians are like the Ku Klux Klan, only not as ambitious,'' Matus told ICT.
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They might not exactly be racist, just ignorant, seeing as how there are a lot of Hispanics that are part of the minutemen...but they are a hateful clan and racism does go along with it. I don't see how they can still be protected by the law and they torture a lot of illegal aliens. They are sick and make me sick. If they would really like to help out the country, instead of being worthless citizens twiddling their thumbs looking for illegals, they should take something from them. Their will to work. Many people look at them as heroes, and I have no idea know how they can be looked in that form. I completely agree with practically everything you have stated and appreciate the information.
And to Alberto--
People don't come here to listen to what you or the rest of the gringos have to say, they come here to work and will do anything to find a job and be able to help their families exceed. And it is not an IF situation, it IS a TRUE situation.
i like how you try to call anyone against illegal aliens a Racist.
btw, Look up the word illegal, do you know the word meaning?
They deny it because if they said it was true they would be liars. The minute men are not racist. They do not beat up illegals. They don't even touch them. They report to the border patrol who arrest and hopefully DEPORT them. The border patrol are not racist and they do not beat up ILLEGALS!
ILLEGAL aliens have nothing to do with RACE!!! It is about the law. WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
The ILLEGAL alien criminals are in this country without permission. That is against the law! It doesn't matter where they are from, what their race is, or anything else. They are here ILLEGALLY! If you are not here legally, you must go back to your home country PERIOD!
because it is ILLEGAL to come into this country without being a citizen.. plain and simple.
They are not racists. Just because we dont want Illegals in our country doesnt mean we are racists. Its just an excuse Hispanic people use to justify that they belong in this country. They blame white people as being racists cause they know deep down they cant dispute that they have the right be here.
Soon enough the official language will be Spanish in this country. Its a shame of what is going on. Deport all illegals from all races!!!
Harass? lol. 25 - 30 American Citizens are MURDERED each day and 104 pedophiles cross the border looking for your children -
jajaja they know in their mind they are!!
THEY DONT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO !! THATS WHY THEY GO TO PROTECT THE BORDER
No not true pure BS
When did ILLEGAL become a Race??
You use the race card because you have no Facts or reasons behind your racist views
WAY too much msmbc anti America Kool-aid for you
try the real Jim Jones brand of Kool-aid (look it up)
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Did you know illegal aliens kill more US citizens each year than the war in Iraq? If the government was doing its job then other people would not have to try to solve the problem.
The minute men is not a racist organization. There are black, white, and hispanic minute men. Illegal is not a race!
I feel anyone that takes enough of there free time to spend watching borders for immigrants coming into the US, has a racist motive. Particularly to the Hispanic race. Why are they not watching the Canadian Border or anywhere else, but the Mexico border.
The Minutemen issued a public statement that they do not support the Border Guardians' burning of the Mexican flag or violence. Ray Wardon from Tucson is the flag burner. Its his one joy in life. I grant you he is an extremist but no different than the founder of La Raza Unida.Racism comes in all colors.
Please post one case,one incident of verifiable proof that the real Minute Men have attacked or harmed any illegal aliens. Do you think that the world wouldn't know about it if it had ever happened ? Somebody would be screaming to the Justice Department and demanding convictions.prison time and 5 million dollars.
No organization is perfect but the MM works over time to make sure their hands are clean. Don't lump all anti illegal alien groups together please . They are not the same.
Post the arrests of any MM that has injured or killed an illegal alien. ? Show the proof instead of hear say...Then I will agree with you on this gladly.
And Mary there are Minute Men patrolling the Canadian border also.
The last time I checked it was still illegal to enter this nation with out proper documentation . All your links are the same except the last one.
Jim Gilchrist founded the multi-ethnic Minuteman Project on Oct. 1, 2004, after years of frustrated efforts trying to get a neglectful U.S. government to simply enforce existing immigration laws.
Jim holds a B.A. in newspaper journalism, a B.S. in business administration, and an M.B.A. in taxation. He is a former newspaper reporter and a retired California CPA (Certified Public Accountant).
Jim is a veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps and recipient of the Purple Heart award for wounds sustained while serving with an infantry unit in Vietnam, 1968 - 1969.
Mr. Gilchrist is a passionate defender of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and an avid supporter of law enforcement organizations. He has appeared on over 1000 radio and TV news and commentary shows in the past twelve months, and he believes he is only one of millions of 21st century minutemen / women / children who want the U.S. to remain governed by the "rule of law" and who want proactive enforcement of our national security protections and our immigration legal code.
Jim has lived in California since 1976 and currently resides with his wife Sandy.
The Minute Men,membership is 25% ethinic,and 55% women.
You failed to mention
LA RAZA
They are on the pro-illegal side and are as racist as they come.
Accidental omission I'm sure.
How would you know if the MM is or isn't racist ? Obviously you are full of prejudice on this topic. I read two of the articles in detail and they state that a former member of a group that preceded the MM was inciting racial violence through another group BG, and that MM rejected violence.
Obviously you read what you wanted to see, not what was printed.
there is treats of violence everyday on this immigration forum , wouldn't that be more like threats ? But what is claimed I yet to see anyone in jail or in court. If this is so dangerous where is La Raza if they have this wealth of information why are they not there recording every event at the border
Why is it that everyone against illegal immigration is immediately a racist? The minute men are not racist. They are protecting their communities from illegal immigration.
Perhaps they just do not understand what it is like to want a better life because they already have that. Perhaps they do not realize the fact that their ancestors are immigrants as well. That the original "wet-back" is a european. The original one to cross water to get to this land and bring havoc. It truly is amazing that there is a holiday which commemorates the invasion and unnecessary onslaught of a people and their culture.
I often wonder what it will take to get through to the descendants of the ones whom have taken and destroyed our many cultures.
No. They will never want to see, they will never want to know . They will never realize that they are still guests in our land.
Remember people that we are talking about native people here. "Hispanic" people are people who come from or are descendant from Espana. Spain.
These people who come across, look at them, do they look european?
Before these lines were drawn up as borders this was their land. What do you expect them to do?
Why are you taking the side of greedy fat cat CEO's? CEO's and business men are addicted to slave labor (illegal aliens.)
The media is owned by big business, lobbied by big business, survives only the advertising dollars of big business.
All some fat cat CEO has to do is hire a PR firm to discredit the Minutemen or any other pro-America group. All it takes is writing a check to a PR Agency.
You're a victim of big business propaganda.
And obviously the street gang that's due to arrive in your area hasn't arrived yet. But when they do, you'll change your tune!
As with any country, the USA has laws to protect our country from uncontrolled immigration . Which if freely aloud, would severely impact our economy and crime because without proper documentation ,foreigners would be able to come here, do whatever they want and be lost in ambitiousness, as is our current condition. Immigration laws are not a USA invention......every non- third world nation in the world have them.
Personally , I like Mexicans as a people and would welcome them , if they intend to live by the standards expected of all United States citizens.
I know that the reason they now have a background check for Minutemen members is because some members of hate groups initially aligned with the Minutemen and weren't wanted. From the language you use, 'original member' and not 'current member', I wonder if this guy may not be one of those.
As to any group called 'Indigenous Alliance Without Borders", I suspect they are biased. I note that NO mainstream press source has reported any violence by Minutemen, and I challenge you to find any such report.
Can you actually PROVE that a Minuteman EVER caused harm to an illegal? Didn't think so, because its NEVER happened.
I can, however, show instances where illegals and their supporters have vandalized Minuteman vehicles and otherwise acted in a terroristic nature.
While I do know who know who Lanie Lawless is, mostly from what she's said on TV, I neither support nor defend her statements. Furthermore, it is also my understanding that Ms Lawless as never actually been a member of the Minutemen.
We are held to a high standard by the people of this great nation, and an even higher standard within our own ranks. ANY contact with these thugs illegally invading our borders is strictly prohibited per our SOP (Standard Operating Procedure, the rule book we follow to the LETTER). Failure to follow SOP at ANY time is cause for dismissal.
Minuteman Civil Defense Corp PA State Director
Why do you uneducated MORONS keep insisting that they do?? STOP lying!!
Look, let say that you and the pro illegals are right, that we the Americans are the worse people and very racist against illegals and we hate them all. That the southern border is painted in blood of the illegals that are crossing into our country and this is bad. NOW!! WHY IS IT THAT THEY ARE STILL CROSSING INTO OUR COUNTRY BY THE MILLIONS< could you explain this phenomenon. Let say that by coming into our country they all are going to be mistreated by the KKK, Minutemen,Border guard, etc. Why is it that with all of that, that you are talking about, they are still coming by the millions. WHY!!
There you go using the word "immigrant" again, I could tell you what I think so that it is even clearer to you, but Yahoo will delete it for objectionable speech. Anyway to answer the "question", I agree with the majority of answers above: illegal is not a race, MM is not a racist organization, they help protect me from the illegal swarm, and I am more of a threat to illegals than MM are because I have the right to shoot and kill people who trespass on my private property armed.
After reading an article on Yahoo news I want to join in on this one!!!! Border agents who are trying to do their job and who are ordered NOT to shoot anyone are being shot at, stoned, having molotov cocktails thrown at them and there isnt one damned thing they can do to defend themselves from the sorry azzes who are sneaking across the border with their drugs. Our government doesnt give one hoot in h*ll about them either. But by god I do and would join the Minute Men in a heart beat and WOULD shoot to kill!!!! I am getting fed up more and more each and every day with this crap. Those two border agents who are in prison should be set free and given a medal for what they did. I will say this and you mark my words, before too much longer there will be TROUBLE of which you have never seen. LEGAL AMERICANS are going to get their fill and get p*ssed off enough that we are going to end up taking matters into our own hands and there is going to be hell to pay!!!!!!!!!
Just because someone is trying to protect our nation's borders from illegal immigrants does not mean they're racist. If someone is illegally crossing the border it is illegal....duh. These newspaper companies are biased and don't report that maybe the reason why the minute men beat somebody up was because of self-defense or possibly the illegal immigrant wasn't complying or was armed. There's nothing racist about self-defense.
From the beginning the Minute men have been populated by White Supremacists and Neo-nazi racists, who else could try to found an illegal vigilante group?
because its uncool in modern US society to be racist. Most of us are smart enough to know that racism is a waste of time and if the Minutemen were to come out and say that they are, then there could be no denying, and they would lose alot of support from the community. Many people truly believe they are helping.
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