How many Mexicans are actually of Aztecan Ancestry?
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It is true that after the massacre and subjugation by the Spanish, as well as mass epidemics of European diseases the Spanish brought over, from 90-95% of the Aztec Mexican population was wiped out. However, the descendants of the Aztecs slowly repopulated and as of the last government census there were 2.5 million Nahuatl in Mexico.
Now there is the pan-Mexican identity that says all Mexicans are descended from Aztecs and Spaniards. This discounts the presence of over 100 other indigenous groups in Mexico before Columbus, the most prominent being the Maya, Olmec, Mixtec, Zapotec, Totonac, Tlapanec, Chiltepec, and Purepecha. However, because the Aztecs were the most prominent of the Indian groups whose empire ruled the region and had subjugated many of the others, Mexicans with apparent Indian blood will say they are Aztec, in the same way an American with English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish ancestry might say he is English. Of course, you can't just look at a given person and say they are such-and-such percent indigenous. So it's not an exact science. But, sociologists can look at the genealogies (birth, death and marriage records) as well as DNA evidence showing degrees of separation between indians living on reservations with mestizos in the general population.
fyi, according to population counts, Mexico's population is 12% indigenous and 30% predominately indigenous.
This is the first time I am hearing this claim.
...kinda like when Iranians say they are "Persian"?
And you have a problem because....
I don't report.. it sound like I touched a sore spot.. Great
Not many they sacrificed most of them, I,m Apache so they
are crossing into my land.
Its hard to know, there are so many indigenous groups in Mexico. Too, too many indigenous groups. The Aztecs cover mainly the territory around Mex City. The Tarahumaras in the Chihuahua area. The Mayas in the five Southern Mexican States... and these groups can go on and on.
I would have to say very few. Many of them died in the conquest and of disease, which the Spaniards introduced to the Aztec population. Also, many were worked to death by their Spanish conquerors. Without immunity to these "new" diseases or other factors, over 90% of the indigenous population of Mexico were dead within the decade of the Spanish conquest.
These Mexican (Not all Hispanics are Mexicans. Any group in the Western Hemisphere that had a Spanish conquest are Hispanics.) youths can say they are descendants of the Aztecs, but more than likely, they are not. Just because they come from Mexico doesn't mean they are descendants of Aztecs, even if they are of indigenous Mexican peoples. They were many more indigenous groups to Mexico than the Aztecs, they just happen to be the most famous.
About as many that sneak into the USA to "have a better life"
Amerindian is the proper term to describe people of Aztec, Mayan, Incan, etc decent. Not 'Aztecan'.
I don't know why they keep claiming this as they don't look aztec. I knew a lad many years ago who claimed aztec heritage and I believed him,his features did not look mexican at all.
None are.
The race card isn't working as well as it should, so Plan B is in effect: Using unsubstantiated claims and rewrite history to supercede U.S. Law .
Summermoon -
"Actually American Indians despise being called Native Americans so please watch your mouth next time."
That is not true. As a matter of fact many natives refer to themselves as "native" more than American Indian, and there is much debate in the native community over the terms. I prefer to identify my ethnicity by tribal name, neither term is offensive to me. A warning to watch one's mouth over the usage of Native American is unnecessary, since the term "Native American" is not racist.
"They also aren't exclusive to the US and the Indians that wandered the Southwest were and are Mexican Indians."
The native tribes that wandered and settled in the southwest were not Mexican Indians. Mexico only occupied the southwest for 29 years from 1821-1850. Aztecs and Toltec cultures, language, and beliefs are quite different from the (U.S.) southwestern tribes - (i.e. Pueblo tribes, Apache, Commanche, Shoshone and many others active and extinct). To say that modern day Mexican mestizos and Mexican Indians are one and the same as the native tribes of the U.S. is nothing more than an arrogant claim to supercede present-day immigration laws.
"Apache Indians are intermixed with Mexicans. Geronimo warned his people about the encroachment of the US on his people so he hated white men. He lived in what is present day Arizona. It was Mexico then btw. So Geronimo was Mexican. He didn't kill Mexicans he killed Spaniards. Since he was born in 1829 it is pretty clear he was born in Mexico not the US, Arizona was not a state of the US nor a territory till 1912."
Apache were not intermixed with the non-existant Mexicans pre-colonialism, and the Apache bands warred with the Mexicans after 1821, and also offered safe passage to the U.S. soldiers during the Mexican-American war. Geronimo fought against the Mexicans and the United States to protect his tribal lands. Geronimo was NOT a Mexican, and would have taken offense to that claim. The new Arizona Territory, consisting of the western half of New Mexico Territory was declared in Washington, D.C. on February 24, 1863.
"...all of these countries are just like the US part of North America. So some of the folks here need to learn geography before they argue that the Indians native to Mexico are not North American, because they most certainly are."
I think you know better than this. American is a nationality, exclusive to the USA. The fact that the continent is named NORTH America is irrelavent. Mexicans are claiming indigenous rights to the United States of America, which is an unsubstantiated and disproven claim. To argue that Mexicans are American, is as rediculous as saying that Brazilians are Colombian, South Africans are Egyptian, or French are Irish.
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Added: Usually mixed breeds or pretendians like to project their insecurities on full blooded natives like me. I get that all of the time, strangers thinking they know more about my blood, than I do. I feel sorry for them. Since you like to make losing bets, you are more than welcome to come play at my tribe's casinos.
Also, as an American citizen, I have enjoyed the freedom for decades to live in various cities and states around the U.S. Living on the reservation is an option, and hence no feeling of being "walled" on a reservation.
Everything in my answer above is fact, not opinion. You can try to word around the facts all that you want to suit your opinion. It's not going to change the facts that Mexicans are the 500 year old descendents of Spaniards, they are not American Indians, and that Geronimo lived on Apache tribal lands, and did not live by Mexican law, identify himself as Mexican, fought to protect HIS land, that belonged to HIS people, the Apache.
I am not talking trash about Mexican Indians I am tired of Mexicans claiming American Indian tribal lands, to substantiate their breaking of U.S. immigration laws.
I wasn't in a Mel Gibson movie, and I could care less if you think I am impersonating or not. It's called cultural pride, and I am not going to sit back and allow the mesitzos of your country, lie about the history of mine.
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Full Blooded Lakota Sioux, Red Pride.
To put it bluntly, Mexicans are products of Mexican indians being raped by Spaniards, and were forced to speak Spanish. While U.S. Native Americans were not raped by anyone.
Mexicans are not U.S. Native Americans.
Best answer: "... The native tribes that wandered and settled in the southwest were not Mexican Indians. Mexico only occupied the southwest for 29 years from 1821-1850. Aztecs and Toltec cultures, language, and beliefs are quite different from the (U.S.) southwestern tribes - (i.e. Pueblo tribes, Apache, Commanche, Shoshone and many others active and extinct). To say that modern day Mexican mestizos and Mexican Indians are one and the same as the native tribes of the U.S. is nothing more than an arrogant claim to supercede present-day immigration laws. ... "
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