Where would we be with out them??
Industries like construction, farming, food service, hotel and manufacturing would take a big hit. These are some of the most common industries worked by illegal immigrants. To attract domestic workers the wages would have to be increased. However, some places already have a tight labor market as it is. In addition, there are jobs that many domestic workers would not take even with higher wages. The types of jobs that require long hours under the sun and back-breaking labor are not popular among Americans. The jobs are highly undesirable and are considered to have no prestige or little if any. The reality is that many domestic workers in the United States do not want to work long hours, do tiresome work and break a sweat unless it is highly compensated. The majority of American workers would prefer to work in an office with air conditioning and do a job that is more prestigious.
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all i got to say look at all these racist
Lots and lots of typing, but its a crock. Did the economy fall when we reduced illegals by 95% in 1954? No it did not.
Let them come, just make sure they can speak English and aren't criminals first.
Who would watch our children -cuz we don't have time
who would clean our houses and yards cuz we don't uh do that
who would do our nails...cuz that is a priority
when people are paying 10$ for a head of lettuce then they will understand
sweetpea my dear..you are way off the mark
micky... you are old school girl and there are not many left...
I support immigration and I am totally against discrimination against ANY immigrant legal or not. BUT we should not promote or encourage illegal immigration.
A lot of people would be in Middle class society due to pay raises and price raises. There are low risk prisoners who should be doing the jobs of illegals to pay their debt to society.
personally i think we'd be better off.isn't it funny we now have to have a passport to go into canada, mexico, and the carribean...and can't go till we're approved for a passport but yet illegal immigrants can come over here.
Given your statement, we should continue to condone fragrant disregard of our immigration laws? I can't buy that. Nor can I buy your allegation that the majority of Americans would prefer to work in an office...etc. Not true, friend. That's an insult to a huge number of hard-working Americans who don't happen to sit in air conditioned comfort in that "prestigious" job!
Somehow, I'm of the opinion that our country can, and will, survive without the continuing flood of illegals into our economy
You must be on meds 'cause most of what you claim is unsubstantiated conjecture and opinion without any facts to support your pro take on allowing illegal aliens take American Jobs away from real Americans-who are here legally!
The reality is, Americans were filling those jobs before businesses like construction, farming, food service, hotels, etc started to break the law and hire under the table cheap-slave paying wages to illegals-avoiding Federal taxes-both for their companies and the illegals who earned more money than you did because they have no tax liability, no FICA, not self-employment tax=while exporting all their US dollars back to Mexico!
Americans can't get these jobs because construction and other companies are happy paying nothing for 12 hour laborers who can't complain because they are here ILLEGALLY!
WE CAN PICK OUR OWN STRAWBERRIES as one of my buddies said in another question!
I totally agree with sweatpea,we will be just fine.
As for the questions from penydred..
Who would watch our children -I do or members of my family do
who would clean our houses and yards
I do both myself
who would do our nails...cuz that is a priority
it's not much of a a priority to me but everytime i've had long nails,they were my own and I did all the filing and polishing myself.
when people are paying 10$ for a head of lettuce then they will understand
I think the $10 lettuce is just another false argument but if it came to it,i'd pay that much to ensure that American citizens quit getting screwed over by criminals.
It is possible, but I really cannot see 12 million lettuce pickers. Lately I have seen more illegals in gangs and committing violent crimes. How many of them are lettuce pickers? Better idea, let them leave and see what happens to the crime rate. I just wish they had come here legally and we had sense enough to have a national language.
First off we would not be having this conversation. Most of us clean our own house, watch our own kids and mow our own grass as for the job sector, I am sure lettuce as everyone is so fond of saying would raise but the cost of education, welfare and health care expenses would go down it would level itself out and citizens would take the place of those illegals. Every industry in the US is predominately filled with citizens.. Even the fruit pickers shocking I know, look into the labor statistics.
If you believe that employers have lowered costs to consumers because they can get cheaper labor by using immigrants, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. The inflationary prices have gone up, despite the lower cost of labor and the profits have become higher.
We could absorb a certain amount people in the United States, but 12 to 20 million is asking too much. Plus, if they are given citizenship once again, others will follow. Where will it end?
Construction, restaurant and other jobs are certainly popular with Americans. I know many people in this business, and they are furious at losing their jobs to low-paid immigrants.
Who makes up these false statements saying that Americans do not want restaurant or construction jobs? Americans will even work as domestic help, babysitting or taking care of the elderly. Prestige has nothing to do with it. Earning a living is what it is all about. Prestige doesn't put food on the table or buy the shoes for the schoolkids.
The only jobs that Americans usually can't handle is seasonal farm work. It is only temporary work, involves leaving home, and doesn't pay enough to support a family. The immigrants come in and lead a Nomadic existence, going from harvest to harvest. Perhaps they can do this, but many Americans can't leave their homes and families.
The only reason corporations are backing the Immigration Bill is because they want cheaper labor. The politicians back it because they want the votes. But please don't continue to spread around the fallacy that Americans don't want these jobs and that the economy would falter if the immigrants left.
In fact, American workers might have some money to spend, if the immigrants weren't taking the jobs. Our economy was much, much better before this crisis of Illegal Immigrants became a tsunami of cheap labor!
This is what the govt wants you to believe. Check out the Heritage Foundations web site, get the facts right, and then have this discussion. You start with a false assumption and then expand from there. They do not contribute to the bottom line, and it costs each and every one of us 20 grand per year. Worse yet, in my own freaking school district we are over run to the point where English is not the primary language spoken, and they told me flat out my kid MUST be placed in immersion classes. The same sscholl has suffered a 300 point decline in it's API IN LESS THAN 5 YEARS. Sorry but no freaking way. Go to any home depot and tell me the numbers of people out front havbent displaced an entire class of workers or driven down wages.
You are dead wrong about air conditioned offices and cushy jobs too. I have worked every manual labor job known to man alongside a good number of them, and have worked them into the ground every single time. No need for a translator. The logic doesnt hold up. Unlike the war on Terror, this is nothing more than a slogan for a bumper sticker to allow slave laborers to become one of us. NO.
They are invading us, and we dont have the courage to put an end to it, and enforce the laws we have. If these p[eopel were so good at their selective jobs, why can't they get a job in mexico?Are trying to tell me they will enforce the new laws any better or more vigorusly than the old laws they wont enforce now? Why would they when they have made it agreeable and profitable to business to keep right on giving amnesty every 21 years. It is historical fact we have revisited this every 21 to 25 years, and the only man to get it right was Truman with Operation *******. They say it is impossible to enforce the law because of the numbers of people involved, but that is pure rubbish. FEDEX deals with 15 to 30 millions packages a day, and precious few are lost. Better yet, they can tell you at any time where that package is. Examine deeper and you will all have to look at this logically, and determine if the feckless leaders we have are really really reallly going to mean it this time? Nahhhh. We the citizens are stupid enough to forget before the next election. And re elect the corrupt bastards we will. Watch and see. The wages you talk about having to be increased used to be there for our own workers. I used to make 24 to 30 an hour as a master carpenter. Now my old freinds are lucky to make 20. As a meat cutter in a slaughterhouse i made minimum wage. I held that jobh proudly for a year and a half. Your argument is utter rubbish and holds only fear tactics not facts. Plenty of American kids grow up poor like I did, and climb their way out by virtue of learning to do these menial tasks.
Examine Swift meat packing plants that got hit by the raids last year. Guess what? Lines of people around the block to take those 1300 low paying jobs "no american will do". 1300 illegals at one plant alone! Any higher ups in Jail? No. Enforce the laws on the books or dont expect us to believe you or obey when you write new ones. This whole deal encourages us to all disobey whatever law or tax code we dont feel like going along with, and if you are prosecuted you would have a valid legal defense of unequal enforcement of the law. That is illegal in the USA. As for the hard working mexcians you are espousing I have had a number of them brought along by contractors and I refuse to employ them anymore. They don tbreak a sweat. The work is LOUSY quality. They go home at 3:30 or 4 pm, and stand around more than work. If they cannot speak english, how can they know the building code laws of America. I bought a new house in Las vegas built by Corina Homes built by nothing but mexicans. This was no cheapo house, it wads a gated community. More than 150 major defects in the home. 72 missed appointments. This made my mind up to leave Vegas. Too many illegals, and not enough aemricans.
Answers are a lot harder than questions, and you espouse giving equal rights to invading forces, much like the visogoths of rome. I must say, have you forgotten your history lessons?
Where were we before them? Say goodbye to the middle class.
If all the mexicans were picking crops like their supposed too.They woouldn't have a man shortage out in the fields like they do. Most illegalls are moving up and taking work from American middles class people. Their taking my job.
Bottom line is that we can choose whether or not to buy the few products that would rise in price if they leave.
If they stay we have no choice but to pay a LOT more in taxes to support the benefits they do use.
A lot of people assume or outright lie about their use of our social programs and benefits. They go to our schools, our hospitals, use our welfare, food stamps, etc.
An illegal has 2 choices. Commit ID theft and pay taxes. Or pay no taxes and use our services anyway.
Whichever toute they take it hurts the average taxpayer far more to have them here.
What it sounds like you are saying is that Americans are spoiled . They expect higher wages without working for it. I agree with that. Nobody is entitled to have what kind of job and wages they want , you have to earn it.
And where were we before they invaded our country?
We were running just fine, with the invasion of immigrants came the sub standard wages. The savings may be on the labor side but the ramifications of all the influx of immigrants and their demands on our society and financial ,legal and medical not to mention all other systems far outweighs their cheap labor status..Just my opinion.Penny wise and pound foolish
Not having to carry a firearm anytime I leave the house is one. Oh paying MUCH less for my vehicle insurance. Oh how could I forget how cheaper my health insurance will be. Ah and I'll no longer be subsidizing civial services meant for those who pay for those services through taxes that are taken from the salaries of hard working legal citizens. Wow there is going to be a long list for this question. Do you really want me to list them all?
I agree with you honey!!!!!!!!
There are plenty of Legals waiting for thier chance to come here and work..
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