All Immigrants?
Answer:
no..
If you only have high skilled people coming into this country, or any other country for that matter... who are going to do the low skilled jobs? the cleaning toilets type of jobs or construction.. Those positions today are occupied by low skilled immigrants...and their children aren't going to follow their parent's footsteps....
If you have a lack of construction workers...the economy flops...it's a fact....construction fuels many industries...so what's your resolution then..
we need a balance of everything... and that includes low skilled workers.
Lastly, construction workers are skilled people....however they don't have to be to get into those jobs.. and that's what I mean when I say low skilled...
Our corporations are the ones who have provided low paying jobs for them. American people won't work the low-skilled low-pay jobs.
Make the companies pay a realistic wage and it all goes away.
My wife came to the US in 1985 from the Philippines and she already had a good knowledge of the language and history etc etc but she still studies books because she was told she would be tested on various subjects.
The day of the test the person preforming the test who was an American Black Lady talked to my wife and when she found out my wife ran a Chinese Restaurant the only questions she asked my wife was "how do you cook this? or how do you cook that?"
well, it was good my wife studied but I don't think our country is serious about keeping our standards high. It used to be a privilege to be an American citizen and now it is twisted to be some sort of God given right that we have to give every Tom Dick or Harry admittance to our country...and please press one if you want this in English? please
They say the Roman Empire fell because the Romans who once prized the Citizenship of the Roman Empire so highly opened it up to the barbarians and they just brought the empire down to their level.
No, we need also the unskilled worker because the skilled worker is not going to work in the farm or drive a bus. So we need both.
Agreed!
I agree but there are going to be so many skilled and unskilled jobs in the US over the next 20 years that birth rate in the US cant fill due to attrition from the baby boomers.That is why the government is letting in so many and outsourcing so much.But I do think it should be regulated, documentation and immunized but not granted citizenship ,that should be earned not given away.
there are several ways to answer this.
- if i need someone to take care of my yard, is that benefiting a citizen (me)? now you might reply that there is some american that would do the job. true. but as well? for the same pay? not necessarily. if you don't believe me, go look at the employees at costco, and walmart. note that walmart pays more. and their employees move much faster. if i hire an illegal, i'll get someone who will move at costco speed, for walmart pay. (AND NO, I DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TAKING CARE OF MY YARD.)
- for many years, i've been out of work, having been a computer programmer for many years. but there are many legal immigrants doing computer work. i note that contract programmers get paid much less today than they did a few years ago.
your contention would be that it's okay for legal immigrants to take my job, but not okay for illegal immigrants to do my yard work.
ABSOLUTELY!
The part of the equation your forgetting is that the immigrant ASSIMILATE into the culture of the country he/she is moving to.
Some of the most patriotic people to ever grace our shores are those from foreign lands, those willing to work hard, contribute something to society, obey our laws. Basically, follow the rules and CONTRIBUTE.
The US used to be the great melting pot. Sadly, these days it seems that someone has shut off the heat and threw open the borders letting in hordes of trash with their hands out demanding "rights" they are not entitled to.
I've nothing against LEGAL immigration, although I'd really like to see it limited for a time to get us back on track and figure out just who belongs here and who has broken the law and needs to leave.
I honestly couldn't be prouder than to see a person who has followed the rules to come here, work hard and do all they can to make this a better country. If they add a LITTLE part of where they come from to the pot, all the better.
Keep in mind, immigration comes with a price, and responsibility. It is up to the immigrant to learn the language and follow the rule of law, first and foremost.
Coming here demanding WE change is not the way to make a life. Most of us aren't real interested in how it's done elsewhere. Way I see it, if it was so much better in the country you came from, why leave?
U.S. businesses criminally invited and hired undocumented workers to work for poverty wages for several generations now in order to avoid paying U.S. workers a legal and decent salary. This long-tolerated criminal practice also was a way for U.S. business owners, leeches with unethical, anti-social and anti-American intent, to avoid having to pay taxes, such as employee withholding, which screwed the U.S. taxpayer and screwed communities' school districts and health districts that needed and did not GET that tax money or accurate demographic accounting necessary to provide healthcare and education to the families of the workers who were invited and hired to work and live in U.S. communities.
This criminal practice eventually caused severe strains on communities because they did not have a realistic budget to support educating "extra children" and providing healthcare to "extra" people who, remember, were being paid poverty wages for generations. This criminal and unethical exploitation of decent, hardworking people was tolerated for decades by bigots who "appreciated" having a second-class segment of people around handy. Needless to say, after a few generations of discrimination, poverty and utter failure of communities to stop U.S. businesses conducting these criminal activities, this entire second-class segment of people in our U.S. communities has not achieved its fullest potential as educated "middle class" citizenry. And, U.S. communities that have been home to U.S. citizens AND to these invited and hired undocumented unaccounted for workers and their families for generations, have begun to buckle under the social strain of sustaining a larger number of poverty-level families on screwed and skewed budgets and social/community planning "calculated" for less people.
Other people who legally immigrate here have very specific standards to meet. So, I am confused. Are you suggesting that all people who were born and raised here, including you and I and those families whom were criminally invited and hired to work and live in and be a part of U.S. communities for generations should be somehow be "outcasted" or feel unwelcomed if they are poorly educated or have minimal job skills? Oh, I might just agree with you. Actually, that may very well be what is planned by the Big Boys for most middle class people in the new global economy. Someone told me a few years ago related to the North American Union, that, as consumers, Big Business intends to court these delicious waves of new Mexican citizens (waves orchestrated since at least the 70's) with fun things to buy, and, that the average middle-class American, not having the skills or education to compete in the white-collar REAL job market, which is the global job market upon us now, will be essentially auctioned off for re-forestization type projects, field help and cheap assembly line work in foreign countires if they want to eat.
Makes perfectly good sense to me. If you can't pass the new global job market employment tests coming up for math and science, your future, and your children's future, looks real grim. Most Americans can't pass 'em. Our childrens' BEST math and science scores are LOWER than Denmark's worst scores. Facetiously, I say, let's raise a glass to a nation rid of ALL such ignorant, poorly educated slackers once and for all. Hopefully we'll lose most of the ignorant bigots who lacked the qualifications and skills to have better sustained their communities all these years. (God would not have made them sheep if He did not want them sheared.)
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0308...
When it comes down to it the USA is bringing in too many legal immigrants for our economy to support in the long run.
Then add to this the illegals and its going to cause economic collapse.
first of all, legal immigration is fine and has set limits in the usa
and every country in the world. from zero to whatever.
illegal immigration is not any form of immigration, it is a racist, bigoted justification of breaking and entering (into any nation).
human traffiking is running humans for sale, and slavery even across the border into the usa.
all high school graduates should have first consideration for all jobs possible. all college graduates should have first consideration when college is completed. all combat veterans of war, each war should have number one placement. i am a person who was denied employement thru vra...so "words" are words and "deeds" means the combat veteran has earned and needs the preemptive rights to earning a living in the country they served...not illegal aliens come first.
then legal immigrants.
then, if you have not filled all slots ...raise legal immigration limits.
it should be life in prison with out parole for those people who hire illegal aliens ...starting with the "buck starts at the ceo" not just managers.
Well said!
USA became the most powerful country surpassing long established European countries, very quickly, by accepting practically anyone who wanted to come here, educated or not, rich or poor (from the beginning to fairly recently, that is, mid-20th century.)
These peoples are our grandfathers and grandmothers.
How do we determine what benefit the most the citizens of the receiving country? Have you ever thought that poors and un-educated immigrants might actually be just as valuable for the economy than highly skilled and educated people?
Also, how smart, wise or hard working surely is a better metric than wealth and education, but much more difficult to measure, so we fall back on simplicity and misses lots of good opportunities to welcome valuable and much needed immigrants. This is where an open policy is more efficient.
So, an open immigration policy does make lots of economic sense and no the USA is far from being crowded (Switzerland is 5x more crowded, yes, Switzerland!)
Part of the current immigration policy (simplified) is to attract as many educated people as possible as long as they are not taking a job that could have been done by an unemployed permanent resident or a US citizen. This is a long and costly process.
So we are even afraid of the educated ones.
The problem people have with immigration today is often related to our current social system, which, generously redistribute wealth from the mid and upper-class to the poorer through all sort of very sought after programs (health, education, etc.)
Nothing wrong about redistributing wealth (charity is very good), but it always feels better when it's voluntary.
As long as this system will be there, immigration will be seen as problematic by the current residents and established tax payers.
On top of this, people do see immigrants as taking away "their" jobs, educated or not.
This is the same in every country, not just the USA.
So, I think I disagree since I don't know how to define "qualified people".
Go to the site below and see if you could pass the US citizenship test. Most Americans could not pass the test. So where do you want to send the "under-educated low skilled workers" who are already citizens?
There is room in this country for both the skilled and the unskilled, and the educated and uneducated. We need both. What this country doesn't need of any kind is illegal immigrants. As long as they come legally we should welcome them all.
Actually all immigration to the US needs to be cut off for at least 10 years.
The line, "They're doing jobs Americans won't do" is a catchy soundbite line used to persuade Americans who won't bother to think for themselves.
Fact of the matter is, who were doing these jobs (low skilled) before the illegals flooded in? Americans, that's who.
I know people who've been run out of construction jobs because illegals have flooded in. And guess what? The workmanship of most of these illegals is awful. Homes that start having problems within 5 years is the norm because of them.
Corporations run this country, American citizens do NOT. Corporations want cheap labor. It's all in pursuit of the Almighty dollar. Politicians and greedy corporate fat cats live in gated communities, and have armed body guards. They're making themselves rich at the expense of the common man.
We need immigration reform becuase if we continue this way our country will be destroyed.
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