Do you think working a job should be grounds for amnesty/citizenship?
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No working a job does not give you grounds for amnesty/citizenship. We have every right to decide what the qualifications are for those who would like to become citizens of the United States, quotas have a reason and immigration laws are not there to make people mad they are to protect the economy and the US worker and to prevent over burden to the taxpayers. We may need some reform but it starts with closing the border to all but legal traffic.
Shorty1 - a loophole was quickly found for the 1996 reform to prevent illegal immigrants and other non citizen visitors or squatters from receiving public benefits and you know as well as I do that illegal immigrants are using tax funded benefits that are reserved for citizens and legal immigrants to the tune of big $$ annually.
Having said that I am sure that many illegal immigrants pay taxes but they are also receiving EIC's and other working poor deductions, ironically also reserved for citizens and legal immigrants and meant to ease the burden for our working poor, which means that if they do pay taxes they do not pay much. Based on common sense along with many studies many illegal immigrants actually use more services than the taxes will pay for. Education is a very expensive cost for a regular citizen but special needs multiplies this problem. If you want illegal immigrants to have a shot say so but trying to make it look like they make a great contribution to the social benefit system is false.
"The act made nonqualified aliens ineligible for any “federal public benefit,” defined as follows:
(A) any grant, contract, loan, professional license, or commercial license provided by an agency of the United States or by approriated funds of the United States; and
(B) any retirement, welfare, health, disability, public or assisted housing, postsecondary education, food assistance, unemployment benefit or any other similar benefit for which payments or assistance are provided to an individual, household, or family eligibility unit by an agency of the United States or by appropriated funds of the United States.[26]
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Although broad, this general rule of ineligibility is not absolute. The Welfare Reform Act included a number of exceptions to the bar on benefits. Subsequent actions of federal agencies have expanded the exceptions and construed the statutory definition narrowly, with the result that nonqualified aliens remain eligible for a number of federal public benefits.
The Welfare Reform Act excluded from the bar several key federal benefits, including Medicaid benefits for emergency services (but not for organ transplants), provided that the person otherwise meets Medicaid eligibility criteria; immunizations; and testing for and treatment of symptoms of communicable diseases.[27]
Subsequent federal legislation added other exceptions to the eligibility bar. For example, the Balanced Budget Act stated that the bar does not apply to Medicare benefits for aliens who are lawfully present in the United States and were authorized to be employed during the time they earned wages rendering them eligible for Medicare.[28]
One of the exceptions enumerated in the Welfare Reform Act allows nonqualified aliens access to public benefits related to emergencies or other threats to life and safety. The act authorized the U.S. attorney general to specify programs and services that should be excepted from the bar on benefits because they deliver in-kind services at the community level, do not condition assistance on the recipient’s income or resources, and are necessary for the protection of life or safety.[29] Attorney General Janet Reno released a provisional specification in August 1996. Reno first stated that she did not construe the act to preclude aliens from receiving police, fire, ambulance, transportation, sanitation, and other widely available services. Accordingly she did not include those items in her specification. She then found that several programs and services are necessary for the protection of life and safety and may be provided to nonqualified aliens, among them crisis counseling and intervention programs, child and adult protective services, violence and abuse prevention programs or services, programs or services for victims of domestic violence or other crimes, and treatment of mental illness or substance abuse. Also included is a catch-all exception for any other programs, services, or assistance necessary for the protection of life and safety.[30] "
It goes on and on and on. This was a long post so I will include the link for anyone who wants to continue reading. A star for your question and for pointing out the obvious, amnesty/citizenship is not a right and should never become one.
No it should be another charge just as it is in Mexico thats stealing a job from an American citizen
Whether or not they have a job they should all be deported.
Since that is apparently not possible because of their numbers we need to start putting employers in prison for employing them. Employers should be held responsible for verifying citizenship. Those who are caught hiring illegals (we also need a reward system for turning those employers in) should do five years in general population for each illegal hired with no chance for parole or early release. Every employee in a corporations HR department should be included in the sentence as they are responsible for checking credentials. Of course the CEO goes to prison as well as does the lady down the street who gets her lawn mowed for $2. School principals who allow illegals to attend go to prison too as do hospital administrator who allow them to be treated and of course landlords. With no jobs, no education, no health care they would go running on their own to ruin Canada.
Here is the real question Dreaming (nice to see you again:0) if they were to busy marching, who was doing their job?
At least if you are going to give me a thumbs down, answer the question, lol.
Illegal Immigrants are Paying a Lot More Taxes Than You Think
Eight million illegals pay Social Security, Medicare, and income taxes
By Shikha Dalmia
Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America's bedrock belief in fairness. But many "pull-up-the-drawbridge" politicians want to do just that when it comes to illegal immigrants.
The fact that illegal immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two-thirds of illegal immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes. Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation's hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don't pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.
Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers. Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets.
The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid. But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid "theft of these benefits by illegal aliens," as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it.
But, immigrants aren't flocking to the United States to mooch off the government. According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don't have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS' scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers. No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows.
What's more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks. Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they'll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus. The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year.
Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children. The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume.
Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed. To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program. Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn't be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs.
The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don't want here in the first place. Politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.
No, U.S citizens work, what laws can they break & get amnesty? None. Deport all illegals!
If a person has a work visa and has been coming into the US for work over a long period of time by legal means I have no problem giving them permanent legal status after doing the proper medical screening and background checks. If a person is working here illegal I think their employer should be jailed and the worker should have all assets taken when they are deported. I don't reward bad behavior from my kids and I don't think we as a country should reward people who break our laws. If a person violates our laws knowingly before becoming a citizen why would one think they will obey our laws when they become a citizen?
Agreed..plus Illegal Aliens aren't protected under OUR Constitution.
I agree with you. They have no bussiness working in the USA.
How can an illegal immigrant having a job be a good thing? Part of the laws that need to be enforced includes charges against the employers that hire them! What logic are these pathetic morons using??
Well, as long as they're getting paid under the table!
Illegals are paying a lot less taxes than you think!
I would go a step further and require that all jobs in America go to American citizens. If they can't find a qualified person for the job they will have to train someone. Like the good old days. Seriously, how many immigrants do you think are doing skilled labor that Americans can't do?
No my father came to this country legally with a sponsor a waiting ist nd everything, rules for one should be rules for all.
The first thing illegal aliens do is commit a felony by crossing the border (actually an act of war)
No. Working a job, marrying an American, renting a house, etc. None of those are excuses. Illegals marching and protesting desecrate right to political protest which is reserved for citizens.
Illegal alien = deserves deportation.
Legal immigration = deserves opportunity to become citizen.
If a thief has a job, wife/husband, home, does that mean he/she gets amnesty? No, he gets punished.
Illegals merit punitive measures, not rewards.
How can people legally pay taxes, if they are here illegally?
Somewhere in the process, laws have been broken. Either by the individual, or the company that person is working for.
A non-citizen can not legally pay federal taxes.
Personally, i hope that not even that happens, the illegals should go back to their countries, and demand what they are demanding here... For their rights. It is amazing how they know about discrimination, and rights when they get here, but they don't know their rights in their countries.. Perhaps they should again but their foot down and do what they are doing here!!
They shouldn't receive amnesty anymore than a murderer, rapist, thief, etc When you make acceptions for one, you have to do it for all.
I think they should be deported and I think anyone who employees them should have huge fines and jail time to serve and I think we also need to go after those who give them housing of any kind, whether it is to let them live in their home or if they rent an apartment or a house to them. Would they be allowed to harbor a murderer and get away with it?
Laws are set down for a reason, to protect the innocent. So why aren't they being enforced? Why isn't the public getting more involved and flooding their Senators with letters and complaining that they are not doing the job that WE hired them to do?
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