Is the Aztlan theory an irrational justification for illegals to stay in the USA?
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Why when faced with the reality that all illegals in the US are LAWBREAKERS they scurry to find evidence of their right to be here? Like the entire propaganda that is the Aztlan story. Last time I checked, there were NO Aztec monuments or architecture ANYWHERE in the USA.
The next scamper tactic whEn faced with the truth is to cry "racism". Why am I a racist because I love my country, it's laws and deman that they be obeyed? I don't care what country you come from - if you are here illegally, you are a criminal breaking the law and should be dealt with accordingly. I like it when patriotism is spun into "racism".
And also ludicrous is the half-assed theory that all "anti-illegals" are all white/anglo, thus proving that you will believe ANYTHING you are told. AMERICANS of all races and creeds are anti-illegal!
Answer:
America not only gave Mexico $15 million for the lands, they also forgave them a $3.25 million dollar debt.
They are claiming to be of mixed blood with the Aztecs of New Mexico. Trust me never happened. All Native Americans despised Mexicans. They even get their faux information from a faux dictionary called Wikipedia. I say faux because anyone can join, and blog their own spin to anything they want regardless of or to facts. I swear you got to stay on top of them or they'd have more believing their agenda.
Link to Aztlan Concept.
http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/mecha/arch...
And Mexica Movement
http://www.mexica-movement.org/...
And this is why they honestly like bringing up the Aztlan concept as well. The other answer I refer to on occasion.
Why Do People From Mexico Now Pretend They Are U.S. Native Americans?
Mexicans are not U.S. Native Americans. In fact, they never got along and they speak different languages.
The race card isn't working as well as it should, so Plan B is in effect: Using unsubstantiated claims and rewrite history to supercede U.S. Law .
Summermoon -
"Actually American Indians despise being called Native Americans so please watch your mouth next time."
That is not true. As a matter of fact many natives refer to themselves as "native" more than American Indian, and there is much debate in the native community over the terms. I prefer to identify my ethnicity by tribal name, neither term is offensive to me. A warning to watch one's mouth over the usage of Native American is unnecessary, since the term "Native American" is not racist.
"They also aren't exclusive to the US and the Indians that wandered the Southwest were and are Mexican Indians."
The native tribes that wandered and settled in the southwest were not Mexican Indians. Mexico only occupied the southwest for 29 years from 1821-1850. Aztecs and Toltec cultures, language, and beliefs are quite different from the (U.S.) southwestern tribes - (i.e. Pueblo tribes, Apache, Commanche, Shoshone and many others active and extinct). To say that modern day Mexican mestizos and Mexican Indians are one and the same as the native tribes of the U.S. is nothing more than an arrogant claim to supercede present-day immigration laws.
"Apache Indians are intermixed with Mexicans. Geronimo warned his people about the encroachment of the US on his people so he hated white men. He lived in what is present day Arizona. It was Mexico then btw. So Geronimo was Mexican. He didn't kill Mexicans he killed Spaniards. Since he was born in 1829 it is pretty clear he was born in Mexico not the US, Arizona was not a state of the US nor a territory till 1912."
Apache were not intermixed with the non-existant Mexicans pre-colonialism, and the Apache bands warred with the Mexicans after 1821, and also offered safe passage to the U.S. soldiers during the Mexican-American war. Geronimo fought against the Mexicans and the United States to protect his tribal lands. Geronimo was NOT a Mexican, and would have taken offense to that claim. The new Arizona Territory, consisting of the western half of New Mexico Territory was declared in Washington, D.C. on February 24, 1863.
"...all of these countries are just like the US part of North America. So some of the folks here need to learn geography before they argue that the Indians native to Mexico are not North American, because they most certainly are."
I think you know better than this. American is a nationality, exclusive to the USA. The fact that the continent is named NORTH America is irrelavent. Mexicans are claiming indigenous rights to the United States of America, which is an unsubstantiated and disproven claim. To argue that Mexicans are American, is as rediculous as saying that Brazilians are Colombian, South Africans are Egyptian, or French are Irish.
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Added: Usually mixed breeds or pretendians like to project their insecurities on full blooded natives like me. I get that all of the time, strangers thinking they know more about my blood, than I do. I feel sorry for them. Since you like to make losing bets, you are more than welcome to come play at my tribe's casinos.
Also, as an American citizen, I have enjoyed the freedom for decades to live in various cities and states around the U.S. Living on the reservation is an option, and hence no feeling of being "walled" on a reservation.
Everything in my answer above is fact, not opinion. You can try to word around the facts all that you want to suit your opinion. It's not going to change the facts that Mexicans are the 500 year old descendents of Spaniards, they are not American Indians, and that Geronimo lived on Apache tribal lands, and did not live by Mexican law, identify himself as Mexican, fought to protect HIS land, that belonged to HIS people, the Apache.
I am not talking trash about Mexican Indians I am tired of Mexicans claiming American Indian tribal lands, to substantiate their breaking of U.S. immigration laws.
I wasn't in a Mel Gibson movie, and I could care less if you think I am impersonating or not. It's called cultural pride, and I am not going to sit back and allow the mesitzos of your country, lie about the history of mine.
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Full Blooded Lakota Sioux, Red Pride.
They can say what they want to. asslan is a way for them to justify breaking our laws and tresspassing. I will believe in the tooth fairy before I will believe in asslan
America just payed so that later generations..likeyourself..cou... say what youre saying.. BUT YOU INVADED MEXICO TO TAKE THAT LAND: and what was lost in war can be regained in war..and thats what were doing...so just sit back and relax...and see how more and ore of us are born in the south USA to take over...
thanks for building all the highways and stuff..we apreciate..jejejejejje
Yes, it's myth. And what the answerer above me said about anything taken in war can be reclaimed, that's true. And anything taken in war can be claimed by the winner, right? (So I guess that means despite what anyone says, since America won the "war" to take your land, it's no longer your land, it's ours, which leaves you NO claim over it. Get it?)
Just to back up what you're saying, there's a group of Hispanics called "You Don't Speak for Me" who support anti-illegal efforts. Look it up :)
i pulled it up the other night. go to your search bar and type in aztec. you will see other sights on this. aztec and aztlan are the same. the aztec indians was in mexico city. there they cut the heads off their victims and cut their hearts out. they wanted to appease the gods. and it was suppose to help on the growing of food. they eventually killed each other off. the aztec was very animalistic people. if you want to call aztec and aztlan the same, then it was in mexico city, in mexico.
I have to agree with Soft Soul. He has done his homework.
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