If you broke the law, and got a $10,000 fine, would you consider it amnesty?
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Most of the illegals will be eligible for the earned income tax credit which means that the citizens of the USA will be paying their fines. Plus, they do not have to pay back taxes, and they are being pardoned for their crimes of identity theft and using fake documents.
Rosemary Jenks' recent House testimony.
"People understand that rewarding illegal behavior will inevitably produce more illegal behavior. If I were to steal car, for example, and a highway patrol office pulled me over and wrote me a $2,000 ticket for stealing the car, but then told I could keep the car, as long as I paid the ticket, there would be a lot more car thieves once the word got out about my good fortune. The officer's actions would tell the public that the law against stealing cars is not taken seriously. The $2,000 ticket is simply a cost of doing business that will be built into decisions to break the law in the future."
Amnesty Defined
"The most helpful definition of amnesty I've seen is: Pardoning immigration lawbreakers and 'rewarding them with the objective of their crimes.' Thus, any legislation that rewards illegal aliens who came here for jobs by giving them a work permit is amnesty. It makes no difference whether they are granted temporary residence or green cards; whether they have to pay a fine or back taxes; whether they have to learn English and civics; or whether they have to 'touch back' across the border to launder their status. If the end result is that they get legal permission to work, it is amnesty."
Yes, if I got to avoid prison and keep what I stole.
paris hilton got amnesty...she only had to do 1/2 of the jail time. she's above the law...Paris Hilton for 2008 PREZ!!!
First off it's not $10,000 it's $5,000
And instead of being deported.yes it's AMNESTY...
there's too much smoke around this issue
in reality it's quite clear, if you aren't here legally get the fuhk out...today..right now...no more sob stories, tough $hit
Amnesty means eliminating any offense or crime of a person without any penalty or fine. Thus, the amnesty bill is not really an amnesty because there is a fine to pay for income generation.
Because it is an Amnesty bill. It makes illegals 'legal' - *poof* your crime is forgiven!
The 'fine' (half what you mentioned) is paid over 8 years - about 50 bucks a month.
And, yes, if I owed $100,000 in back taxes for 20 years of working under the table, I'd have to be pretty happy with a 10k fine.
Hey Clown, yeah I would. But the difference is that I am a USA citizen, and 5 grand for a criminal that has no allegiance to this nation is far from fair to those legal immigrants that paid far more and have an allegiance to the USA!
I don't care if they had a $100,000 fine.They need to go.
I think you're missing one of the loop holes there buddy! The people who will get this amnesty can claim finacial hardship and/or famiy burdon alllowing them to postpone or even avoid the bill completely and will would be exempt from having to pay the fee, or did you miss that part of the bill.
It is objectively a partial amnesty bill because it does not begin by arresting and deporting people here illegally back where they came from and thereby making their lives totally miserable in stead of mildly unpleasant. The problems with this bill are that there is no guarantee that the fines will ever be paid. If illegal immigrants have broken one major law of our nation why not break another 5 or 10 years later? Who or what agency is going to enforce this Pandora's box of legislation? Who wants them here at all unless they will abide by all our laws? The fact is that upper class US citizens and very profitable large corporations and even the US government and its agencies employee these people and enable them to make 10-50 times what they could in their countries working less and in better conditions even if they could find employment in their countries. Make the fines so uncomfortable for anyone hiring an illegal alien and actually prosecute those employers and the problem will evaporate.
first of all, it's $5000 not $10,000
second, it would be a remarkable improvement in immigration law enforcement, if a dime of that $5000 were ever collected
lastly, I would consider it Amnesty, if I got to keep what I stole, and it was worth more than $5,000
Did that go over your head?
The dishonesty of the whole thing is that in the end the illegals will cry hardship and with those codicils tears will once again be granted a wavier and no fee of any amount will be charged
The government has absolutely NO intention on EVER collecting these alleged "fines." That's just a "feel good phrase" put in to placate the dissenters.
These are the same people who claim that we can't afford to deport them, have NO WAY TO TRACK THEM, and can't round them all up!! But we're supposed to believe that they can track them to be able to collect the FINES? And the fine is more like $5-6K, paid over like a 8-10 year period.
Can't track them down to deport them , but won't have a single glitch in getting the fines out of them??
Sorry doesn't pass the smell test!
You sound like the clown you are!!!
no matter what some people say, the fact of the matter is that we are here to stay, we pay taxes, we feed their system without getting anything back, and now they want to blame us for their problems and many times, their shortcomings. We will not give up without a fight. It's a malcolm x kind of principle, pacifism does not really work, but we can and have been using pacifist techniques. And no, it isn't "amnesty" .
I would consider it a bargain if I got a free education , health care , a good paying job and a home along with it . Yes
i would pay up and hope cousin vinny would not break both my knee caps.thats what it sounds like to me a crime but the victim is the american people not the illegal immigrants!
they are mad, so they use a word they don't understand
J-Walking - BANG! $$10k
If you raped a woman, and got fined 5000 Dollars , I would call it amnesty. but then again ,there is a reason you are a Clown. If I worked under the table , paid no income taxes, for
years, got to skate with a 5000 Dollar fine, The Woman ,I raped was America.
Yea, if I got a fine instead of having my *** kicked out of the country I'd call it amnesty.
Interesting bit I heard today is that if the current bill passes then the illegals would be entitled a hearing before they are deported. This is very bad, because it will create a feeding-frenzy of lawyers to fight something that is not there today. Imagine hearing for a portion of the current 12 million illegals in the country today.
Openly, I am against the current bill. I would prefer to see steps toward "Law Enforcement" instead of creating laws that may or may not be intended to enforce.
Thoughts anyone?
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