Do You Think Immigration Has Caused The NHS To Be Less Effective?
What do you think?
Answer:
The truth is the NHS will not work without foreign doctors, dentists, nurses and other clinicians.
The main problem with NHS is not the shortage of money, it is the money distribution - too much bureaucracy and too many managers. Many of them do not do anything apart from justifying their existence. Interestingly, they are usually native British people:)
NHS = National Honor Society?
no. NHS needs new leadership.
The government will blame thier incompetance on anything..Good riddance Blair
if you went to another country and needed medical help and found a brithish person there to help you would you get it tho?
I agree that the influx of foreign people has made our NHS less effective - we simply cannot cope.
They come here for free treatment and then go home whilst our elderly people and our kids die from 'lack of cash' and 'lack of suitable drugs' in a postcode lottery system that people who have never paid into get the very best of.
Its a f**king joke. Especially seeing how much comes out of my wages in tax and national insurance every month.
the government don't put enough money in to the nhs but lots of people come to the UK cause of the nhs (its a maybe from me )
The Governments will use anybody as a scape goat for its own failings. This Government and it past opponents. They have turned the NHS into a buisness, which is what was it was not about.
Turning the Welfare Sate into a business requires management and employment. These people are paid a fortune to debate and discuss spending, whilst the staff who do the work are paid peanuts. Nurses etc are disrespected and under paid whilst the managers are secured in high salaries.
The Governemnets will blame the everybody even the immigrants for their inablity to to provide for its own people. Ironically, the NHS was established by a Labour Government but 'new labour are closet tories'. The NHS functioned as did Education ubtil the Tories caplialised on the need for welfare for all. Free welfare amd education.. yes free if you can wait while the cats just get fatter and the people die from ignorance. We put these people in power. Think about their policies when you vote !!
The answer would be yes. people have come over from all over the world to get free medical treatment. It is cheaper to pay for a plane ticket than for medical treatment in there own country. The British tax payer cannot possibly afford to pay for the world's health care. It is a ridiculous situation when British old age pensioners who have paid in money their whole lives go to live abroad for there retirement come back to get treatment and they are not allowed it. But any other foreign national can just walk straight in and get free treatment.
Also when I lived in London people with H.I.V were being brought here from Africa for treatment on our N.H.S which must easily cost £100,000 over the course of there life. If the government want to help Africans with Aids send the medications to Africa it would be a lot cheaper and a lot fairer. I actually have a theory that the N.H.S is being deliberately destroyed I don't know why though.
Unfortunately, just like education, the National Health Service is something of a political football. The shortcomings within the NHS are caused by interfering politicians and not by the people of Britain or immigrants to UK.
The vast majority of immigrants are young and do not require the services of the NHS and are gainfully employed and paying National Insurance. Anyone who wishes to work in UK must have a National Insurance Number. Easy to obtain, but once allotted, a person will have to pay a given amount weekly/monthly from their income.
of course its affecting our already struggling health service,a feww million people extra to treat,and our schools and our housing,and our jobs,and lately im noticing our prisons too,im off
Like all public sector institutions,it suffers from gross mismanagement and is answerable to no one.
Blair in his haste pumped millions into the NHS in a desperate attempt to earn his spurs.The NHS was already adequately funded.The money should have been used to headhunt a world class management team.
Perhaps getting rid of the myriad of pointless departments that invent projects to justify their existance would be a good start.Then we reintroduce highly professional matrons who can motivate teams of nurses.Then get rid of the thousands of nurses who arent fit for the job,who watch an episode of holby city and come away thinking theyre smarter than doctors,yet think they are above keeping hospitals free of disease.
All this said,scrapping the NHS in favour of private healthcare would solve all the problems.The NHS is outdated and unnecessary,originally formed as a surefire way to bring home a labour victory in the forties.For those of you who think thats a bad idea because we now get free healthcare.Think again.We are paying for healthcare in our taxes and national insurance.Then after we pay,we get a tragically below par standard.Ive heard all the cliches,"the world is envious of the NHS"etc etc.yet they choose to have aprivate healthcare.
Secondly,private healthcare would discourage thousands of health tourists.
think about it.
Given the percentage of NHS staff that are from abroad, the answer has to be no. It's true that immigrants and visitors sometimes need to use the NHS; on the other hand, the way we import healthy yung people from Poland and export older retired people to Spain suggests that it must on the whole be a better deal for us.
What a variety of contradictions we have here.
The NHS is failing badly, yet people come from all over the world to scrounge off it. Well, is it crap or is it so good that people cross the globe to use it?
I seem to remember the Daily Express claiming our NHS would be swamped by ill Poles when Poland joined the EU, then indignantly complaining a couple of weeks later that the Poles did in fact consider the German health service superior and were stopping there!
Judging by my last hospital visit - from overseas, (judging only by skin colour and accent) orthopaedic surgeon, anaesthetist, consultant, about half the nurses and ancillary staff. From UK (again, just by skin colour and accent) about half the nurses and ancillary staff, all the patients.
Seems to me that immigration provides far more workers to the NHS than customers. Surely that makes it more effective.
Yes it has! Get rid of the fecking sponging immigrants!
Uncontrolled Immigration [ mainly non english speaing muslims ] actively encouraged by the loony left pc mob, who don't realise they will have to do a runner or die when the u.k. becomes a muslim state, laugh if you want but it won't be for long, it will happen cos the wacky left bend over backwards to give muslims every right they demand while gagging the rest of us, do you want to live in a muslim state where there won't even be an N H S never mind a less effective one.
well heres the litmus test:-
When I lived in Manchester (in an area swamped with immigrants mostly from sub-Saharan Africa) I was regularly visiting my GP for two things, my problematic knee joints and my combat related post-traumatic stress disorder. My GP could only spare 10 minutes per appointment for me and said as a result of this he could only deal with one problem per appointment. His solution to my knee was simple, I should keep taking paracetamol or ibuprofen for it (despite it being an ongoing thing that really needed investigation) and as for the PTSD he kept prescribing me antidepressants that dont work for my condition when I really needed to see a counsellor or a psychologist (which I was told I would have to pay for) yet there was a poster in the waiting room offering free mental health services to afro-caribbeans. This went on for ages with no beneficial help being given.
A few months ago I moved to my girlfriends house in Northern Ireland, an area which has very few immigrants indeed, and since moving here I have had my knee x-rayed (on the same day I went to the doctors about it) and been to see a physiotherapist who has practically cured me. I have also been to see a psychologist and am receiving counselling, and when I go to my GP im not rushed on the grounds we only have 10 minutes for an appointment, if I need tests or anything I get them done the same day.
So anyone who doesnt believe NHS inefficiencies are a result of immigrants draining resources, please explain this to me
The NHS is foremostly an excellent organisation, however there are too many people working for them from chav neighbourhoods who know nothing about personal hygiene respect or care. Thus spreading dissention and MRSA throughout the country. Our wonderful government have poured billions of pounds into the system and sadly the money is lining the pockets of the consultants of spin 'pun' and more and more unwashed immigrants are poisoning our elderly with new strains of Superbugs. Whilst you lay on your hospital bed thinking the foreigner is saying good morning in urdu, he/she is cursing you to die.
Well, Mr Sceptic has already made a major point that I was going to make, so I second his answer.
Particularly in England, a lot of immigrants seem to work for the NHS, so why shouldn't they benefit from it when they need it?
Additionally, in my view a lot of problems in the NHS stem from the fact that its run like a business these days. Particularly as far as cleaning and ancillary staff are concerned, who are mostly contracted in from private companies. Nurses and Doctors don't seem to have any say in what these staff do. So when they do a slap-dash job, and leave things in a dirty or unhygenic state, there's nothing the Doctors and Nurses can say to them. Thus disease spreads and patients become ill, or even die in hospital from something completely unrelated to what they went in for.
The problem is that many immigrants have health problems when they come here and consequently overwhelm the NHS in certain quarters
I understand that before immigrants where allowed into USA they had ti have a medical. I don't know if that still applies but it seems a sensible idea to me. I've little doubt that someone will now use the "Race Card" instead of thinking of a way to apply this fairly and with some common sense
Yes.
Yes I think it has caused problems. Mass immigration as we have had cant just be absorbed there is bound to be backlash. Foreign doctors are necessary, but in the past not enough places have been made available to our own students in medical colleges. If there had been we would not depend so highly on foreign workers now. These places were sold abroad to the highest bidders. Its the same old story Money money money
yes it cannot cope with the added demand.
& as a consequence the average brit is losing out,
as someone has too, meanwhile Hewitt insists the NHS balances the books.
few more years like this & our general overall health as a nation will suffer.
our brave lads returning from War, are even denied proper health-care because of the extra demand from immigration & other services the NHS is expected to cover.
and you may or not be aware,
that as of last year the NHS also now covers all the Prisons & all of the Military.
that with all the original demands from indigenous uk residents & as always, health tourists.
now i hear most if not all migrants here, are saving-up to get their family over here to treat them all, where their own health service has failed.
Immigration is helping the NHS. Thanks for our absolutely sorrowful education system, we're not producing the amount of qualified doctors and surgeons that we need. The skills shortage is being filled by people from a variety of other countries.
The NHS is woefully underfunded, and that's the problem with it. I sometimes wonder how many politicians are on public healthcare, but then I realise that the answer would depress me.
The nhs has been continually run into da ground,underfunded an mismanaged by sucessive goverments since 1970.The lift in my block has stopped workin,i`m sure if i made that public some 1 would claim it was all the immigrants using it and not the flogging off of our council homes
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