Are America's immigration laws inherently unenforcable?
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Again one only has to look to the corporations and financial institutions on this matter. Cut all political contributions to candidates from special interests( this pretty well includes just about every corporation and financial institution as well).
yes...and by pandering to illegal groups already here,thay cannot be fixed until it is too late
Unenforceable? Not a chance! They are only unenforceable if you do nothing!
The authorities know where many of the communities are - they just don't go in and deport the illegals. They know who the employers are (that hire the illegals) but they look away. If they dried up the job market, things would be very different.
THEY ARE CRIMINALS FOR BEING HERE AND MUST LEAVE!!!
Yeah, pretty much. I work at a hampton, and none of the house keepers are legal, yet they are paid, and have ss#'s... Hmmmm, I wonder...
No. They are enforceable, we just need a competent group of politicians that are not puppets for corporate lobbyists, with the guts to enforce them. If those competent politicians fail to be elected or even worse, renig on their promises, then it will be up to the people to bear arms and do the job that our government won't.
You hit it right on the head. The laws, such as there are, were enacted to placate the citizens that are against immigration, however, they will NEVER be enforced because the powers that be are paid under the table to look the other way.
Oh they are enforcable all right...... it's just that most politicians won't as they will look like the bad guy. And corporations won't as they are making money so why upset the boat?
It's easily enforcable. In america when you are hired you have to fill out an I-9 form and show ID but this sheet just goes in a file. In many countries say in Europe they take it further.
After the employer gets the information they have to call it in and get a temporary work number. Then after you get your first paycheck you have to go and show this and show your information again to an office.... kind of like a social security office here. So their computers pick up if multiple people are using the same documents and if they are truly legal. It works because all of the computers are tied in.
This requires a secure ID system as well. America can't have the stuff to verify information? Plus in many countries the penalty is so severe for hiring an illegal it usually means that the company will lose its business, regardless of the size.
And lastly billions of dollars are sent to Latin America by illegals. You see the lines of people sending money home via western union on Fridays. And it is always like 300 dollars and such. If western union was required to ask for a secure ID before doing business this would upset the applecart as well.
Point is before I rambled..... how many people do you know that say they support illegals? People should be doing more to voice their opinions. How to go about that easily I don't know.
Immigration laws are absolutely enforceable. The fact that they are not being enforced is due to a lack of will. If the federal government was serious about enforcing immigration laws, why would they allow Elvira Arellano to hole up in a church for months so she can continue her subversive activities? Why wouldn't the government arrest the heads of that church for pandering, harboring fugitives from justice and why isn't the government taking away the church's tax exemption? Why would the federal government allow cities to declare themselves sanctuaries for illegal immigrants without taking away all the federal funding from these law-breaking cities? These cities have effectively declared themselves immune to federal law and have placed themselves on a kind of Reservation that should place them under the same restrictions as the Indians (who, by the way have been treated abominally by our Government).
If the government can make all kinds of lists and enforce laws against millions of american citizens, and if the government can track american citizens and collect taxes from millions of american citizens, then it stands to reason that the government is capable of enforcing the immigration laws. It is simply refusing to enforce them and is, therefore, commiting treason against the law-abiding citizens of the USA. Don't forget, our lawmakers passed these laws. If they didn't intend for those laws to be enforced, then why should be even begin to believe that any laws the government passes should be enforceable?
It's time for GRASS ROOTS to get off our duffs and refuse to pay our Government employees who are not doing their jobs -- including and especially our Legislators and our President!
The heads of DHS and even the President and Congress do not want the field agents enforcing immigration laws.
While they claim work site enforcement is a high priority they have restricted it so much that the local agents can not do it.
The meat packing plant raids (according to the news reports) took almost a year to do (because of the DHS beauracracy).
Immigration judges order people deported, but there are no bailiffs (even Judge Judy has a bailiff) to take the criminal into custody so he/she just walks out of the court room. It is a joke!
It is a do able thing (deporting ALL the illegals) with the current laws. But the truth is the big corporations want the illegals here and that is what is going to happen.
The funny thing is we have the laws we need to enforce immigration laws and secure the border. But all the big business ppl don't like that because they7 like the cheap labor.
The laws are crystal clear. The political will to enforce them is weak and cowardly.
MH/Citizen summed it up well.
The government is deliberately NOT enforcing the laws and in fact are prosecuting people that do. DHS lied, Johnny Sutton lied, thje jury was coerced into voting guilty and the judge refused to declare a mistrial all so we could put Ramos and compean in jail. Does that sound like a government intent on enforcing the law?
When you examine the policies of other branches of the government they clearly aid and abet illegal aliens.
We grant birthright citizenship to the offspring of illegals in spite of the fact that it was CLEARLY the intent of the authors of the 14th ammendment to DENY it. The Supreme Court has NOT made a determination in that regard but our government does it anyway. Does that sound like a government intent on enforcing the law?
We allow illegals to overcrowd our schools, grant them free breakfast and lunch, provide them with ESL teachers, all at the expense of our own children. Does that sound like a government intent on enforcing the law?
We allow illegal aliens to apply for foodstamps and PROMISE them their immigration status will not be questioned. We cooperated with the Mexican Consulate to advertise this program on spanish speaking radio and television. Does that sound like a government intent on enforcing the law?
The Governments complicity in aiding and abetting illegal aliens is endless. Here is a good link with tons of articles
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com...
Tuesday, May 2, 2006Mexican Immigration Laws I just cannot believe that illegal people even think they have rights to
oppose our government, to rally against us, or to demonstrate in public
their outcry for their needed justice. This just is not done, because
they are not citizens here. Now why isn't someone arresting
them right there on the spot as the illegals gather illegally? They
have made themselves known, as well as those who have aided them.
***SEE MEXICO'S LAWS BELOW AND YOU WILL SEE WHY I AM SO INDIGNANT WITH MY COMMENTS***
Mexico's Immigration By-Laws that regulate your admission and departure
from Mexico:
http://www.todossantos.cc/meximmig.html...
Mexico's General Law of Population sets out the rights and obligations
of foreigners, as well as the different statuses associated with
foreign immigration:
http://www.mexperience.com/liveandwork/i...
***MEXICAN IMMIGRATION LAW***
Should we try MEXICO'S IMMIGRATION LAW?
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/reada...
Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most
Americans would love.
...Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United
States does, has much to teach us about how to handle immigration;
under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien. As the
Supreme Court and politicians seek to bring U.S. law in line with
foreign legal norms, it's noteworthy that no one has argued that the
United States look at what Mexico might teach us about how to solve our
illegal-immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law,
seeking to ensure that foreign visitors and immigrants are: _ In the
country legally. _ Have the means to sustain themselves economically. _
Not destined to be burdens on society. _ Of economic and social benefit
to society. _ Of good character, with no criminal record. The law also
seeks to ensure that: _ Immigration authorities have a record of each
foreign visitor. _ Foreign visitors do not violate their visa status. _
Foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal
politics. _ Foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are
imprisoned or deported. _ Foreign visitors violating terms of their
entry are imprisoned or deported. _ Anyone who aids in illegal
immigration is imprisoned. Who could disagree with such a law? The
Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens, and the
denial of many rights to non-citizens. The General Law on Population,
spelling out the country's immigration policy, should cause Americans
to ask: Why is our southern neighbor pushing us to water down our
immigration laws and policies when its own immigration restrictions are
the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more
than a year in prison, Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal
alien in Mexico. Yet if the United States adopted such a law, Mexico
would no doubt denounce it as a manifestation of American bigotry.
Mexico's main immigration law welcomes only foreigners deemed useful to
Mexican society: _ Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to
their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
_ Immigration officials must "ensure (that) immigrants will be useful
elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for
their sustenance" and that of their dependents. (Article 34) _
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence has upset
"the equilibrium of the national demographics," if they are deemed
detrimental to "economic or national interests," if they are not good
citizens in their own country, if they have broken Mexican laws, or if
"they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
_ The secretary of governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of
foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest."
(Article 38) Mexican authorities keep track of every person in the
country: _ Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with
federal immigration authorities upon request: i.e., help in the arrest
of illegal immigrants. (Article 73) _ A National Population Registry
tracks every "individual who comprises (sic) the population of the
country," verifying each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86) _
A national Catalogue of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and
immigrants (Article 87), assigning each a tracking number. (Article 91)
Foreigners with fake papers or who enter the country under false
pretenses may be imprisoned: _ Foreigners with fake immigration papers
may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116) _ Foreigners who sign
government documents "with a signature that is false or different from
that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment.
(Article 116) Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined,
deported, and/or imprisoned as felons: _ Foreigners who fail to obey a
deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117) _ Deported
foreigners who try to re-enter Mexico without authorization can be
imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118) _ Foreigners who violate
terms of their visa may be sentenced for up to six years in prison.
(Articles 119, 120, and 121) Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of
their visa (as by working without a permit) can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on
Population says: _ "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine
of 300 to 5,000 pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the
country illegally." (Article 123) _ Foreigners with immigration
problems may be deported, rather than imprisoned. (Article 125) _
Foreigners who "(make attempts) against national sovereignty or
security" will be deported. (Article 126) Mexicans who help illegal
aliens enter the country are considered criminals: _ A Mexican who
marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner
live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article
127) _ Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented
foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)
All of the above runs counter to what Mexican leaders are demanding
of the United States. The stark contrast between Mexico's immigration practices and its American-immigration preachings reveals the Mexican government's agenda: to have a one-way immigration relationship with the United States. Let's call Mexico's bluff on its interference in U.S.
immigration policy.
Let us propose, just to make a point, that North
American Free Trade Agreement member nations standardize their
immigration laws by using Mexico's law as a model.
(J. Michael Waller is a professor of international communication at the
Institute of World Politics in Washington.)
1 Comment
Fair and consistant imagrationIt would only be fair and understanding to adopt Mexico's policy on imigration. Keeping things similar would make it easier for everyone to know and understand the laws and rules.Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 02:52 PM
Part of Immigration laws are the Attorneys that want to keep them here because it earns them a living. Yet if we pass laws that say if your here illegal, you have no U.S. citizen rights, rights to an attorney, right to a trial, etc. then the we just arrest you and get rid of you, the attorney and courts are out of the picture.
By our country paying for attorneys for illegals is another way we pay taxes to support illegals, by housing illegals while they wait hearings is more of our tax dollars, transporting them to their own country is more of our tax dollars, and making sure illegals are healthy and fed is more of our tax dollars.
So I am tired of paying taxes for illegals, Are you?
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