CA farmers threatening to move to Mexico, no cheap labor, what say you?
Answer:
They first have to qualify to move to Mexico.
Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that
foreign visitors and immigrants are:
• in the country legally;
• have the means to sustain themselves economically;
• not destined to be burdens on society;
• of economic and social benefit to society;
• of good character and have no criminal records; and
• contributors to the general well-being of the nation.
If any want to leave, let them. Someone else will buy their land, farm it without resorting to hiring illegals.
Do what they should have done in the first place. Pay more for the labor and raise the price of the food.
This is precisely why I support the idea of repudiating NAFTA and imposing high tariffs on Mexican goods.
Let them go wherever they want. If they want to go I propose a very good idea to end illegal immigration:
Lets get all the prisoners in the US to do the jobs "illegals" won't do and lets not pay them.
I would say that them go..I agree with the person who said to impose tariffs on the goods they want to import then.either pay higher wage or raise the cost of food. Two choices.
Beaner: That is an excellent idea! Except for the real dangerous ones though.
Threatening to move to Mexico. Pretty empty threat.
They might be able to find cheap labor, but they still can't bring the California climate with them to grow their stuff.
Let them go if they think it will help their profit margin. The fact is that Mexico doesn't have the irrigation capabilities that we do and without water the crops fail to grow. The reason that illegals work so cheep is due to the fact that they don't have to pay taxes so they can afford to and also due to the fact that without legal status they are scared to report mistreatment, that would not be the same in Mexico. Farmers here are subsidized by tax dollars but in Mexico I don't think the rich government would give up their spending money.
It's a gambit. There are actually laws to prevent certain foods to be imported here. Disease concerns prevents a wholesale lost of farms. Plus development has eaten waway on these farms to start off with. Mexico's lack sanitation, and their strawberries and green onions are known to carry the dangerous E-coli. Pest from certain fruits has kept Avocados from coming in. Certain vegetables can't be exported because the growinfg season is different in Mexico, and to keep the vegetable year round, farmers need to stay in California. California goods get a premium world wide as well. Mexico's laws are also antagonistic towards Americans owning land and starting business over there.
We need laws to hold Mexican growers to the same environment standards as our growers are held to. Then they'll be better able to compete. Why should we prohibit our growers from using certain pesticides on their products, but then import the products from Mexico which are drenched in the very pesticides we won't use here because they're considered unsafe?
Wave good bye, and ask them to leave their USA citizenship papers on the table, and not to let the door hit them in the butt
i say go!! let the people go to mexico if they want. We don't need them here...
That's a bluff. Here's why. Congress gives farmers(mostly large ones) hundred's of billions of dollars in subsides. This allows them to export crops like corn, wheat and sugar beets to Mexico at prices their farmers can't compete with. Mexican farm workers then cross the border looking for work in the US. The US taxpayer would be far better off eliminating farm subsides and keeping the Mexicans there to harvest their own crops.
Think about it.
I say go ahead. I don't think California is the only state with farms...we would feel it, but could we survive? I believe we could.
It makes total sense to me for the farmers that depend on cheap labor to move their operations to Mexico. It would be better to import the food from Mexico rather than the illegal aliens.
Let then move. Once they see how great the Mexican land is maybe some of these people will jump back across the border to help them. If the farmers go the need for slave labor will go with them. They should be forced to take the people that work for them too.
What a lot of younger people don't understand is that the use of illegal immigrants has been going on in this country for ages, it has just recently become a political hot potato.
It is not good economics to lose any industry to another country, but it happens everyday because of cheaper labor.
With that said, if all industries paid "American" wages, the higher cost would only be passed to the consumer, this would cause inflation, not good for the economy either.
We can't have our cake and eat it to, but we do need to keep industrie in America and try to lure back the industries that have left, if not, we are the ones that will have the burden of paying the price of higher unemployment, higher taxes to make up for the lost revenue of companies that have relocated to other countries, and so on...
Let them make good with their threat to move to mexico,one thing that they are not taking into consideration
is that there are 49 other states that raise food,How does California think they have the food market locked up here?
I believe that if they left and took their illegal workers with them,the other states would be happy to take up the slack.
They would not be missed,as another poster noted...Don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.
I don't beleive for 1 second there's not enough workers if they were paying a living wage. Not to mention they have always had the ability to obtain temporary visas for any worker they want. They just have to be basically responsible for them, pay fees and all that and they don't want to do that either. Too much grief and expense. Now if you got here illegally for a vegetable picker job but could make 2wice as much mowing lawns.they mow lawns. All their "fruit pickers" are taking factory jobs and construction jobs and all the rest. If they were here legally on one of those work visas.they'd still be picking fruit where they were needed and not here taking our jobs that we need, for cheaper money, driving our wages down in areas where we didn't need them in the first place. BUT NO.NOW everybody wants CHEAP labor...and Americans can't afford to live in this society on what they feel good paying.
I'm with you. Don't let the screen door hit you on the way out. So far all they've managed to do is make people afraid of buying anything fresh anyway. I wonder how much "fresh" fruits and vegetables have rotted in the stores because people are afraid to eat them anymore? 1.59 for a tiny, tiny, head of old iceberg lettuce. Sorry.ain't gonna buy it. It gets where I can afford it or I don't eat it. Not that I can't swing 1.59...it's not worth it. There's other options for the money. Can't really say that lettuce was a bargin. I'm serious..I doubt it was as big as softball. Get through the sludge and I might have squeezed out 1 small salad. Nope..10 cents more and I had other healthier choices..maybe..spinich vs kidney transplant.hummmmm. Not so sure on that either.
I know, I know.what was saved in cheap labor is eaten up by higher gas. So I still end up spending more. Lets import CHEAP top management. Somewhere it should "trickle down". Or are they going to Mexico...not for cheap labor..but to aviod law suits for inferior products? Heck I don't know. I mean if e-coli is seen as a normal "Montezumas revenge".they probably consider this "normal" and don't allow people to sue. Which just keeps putting the US consumer more and more at risk for various food poisonings from countries who have worse standards than we do. Yet no accountability.
What happened to some of the other methods of alternative growing? I know they were opening a hydroponics tomatoe place in Nebraska before I left. There was just one disabled man who did it for a living that a restaurant I worked at bought from. Those tomatoes were beautiful...not quite the taste.but they had a long shelf life. They grew from the roof down so there wasn't a worry about someone or and animal doing their business on them.
Obviously our climate is changing and some of these places might be better off going elsewhere to grow them. But I do agree with one poster..until growing fresh fruits and vegetables is more valuable than a pot field..which would you choose? All I know is they better get home and snatch up those new jobs before the South Americans come up and get them.
stop making stuff.
sure let the an apple be $10
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