They pay taxes?
you say: they pay sales tax not income tax
i say: they do pay income taxes. most get paychecks and are not paid under the table.
you say: they can't pay income tax! they don't have social security numbers!
i say: they have tax id numbers issued to them by our government. they're little cards that state that they are for tax purposes. if they don't use a tax id then they may use a fake social security number.
you say: they're not fake! they're stolen!
i say: most truly are just made up numbers. another popular way to get a ssn is to buy it from a willing citizen who might not really need their's. for example someone living in puerto rico may not need a ssn as much as someone living in the u.s.
also, we all know there are many employers who's crews consist largely of illegal immigrants. how could they possibly pay all of them under the table? they wouldn't do it for fear of getting audited!
Answer:
Right on llaro...of course, it will never get the attention of some on here. Most have never held a job in their life and have no concept of payroll taxes. Some simply don't have enough spatial or abstract perception to grasp the whole idea.
Everyone who collects a paycheck in the U.S. pays taxes...period. If a person buys an item in a store and the state has a sales tax, that person pays the sales tax.
As for SocSec numbers..it is a HUGE business on the black market. In addition, many companies merely "make up" a number. Some have a list of deceased persons SocSec number.. There are many ways to do it.
The tax I.D. number, which is a legitimate one, can also be forged.
Do these folks pay as much as the average Joe? Sure. If they make minimum wage, the pay minimum taxes...if they are paid a high salary, the taxes are comparable.
As for there being a financial deficit in all this - they use more services than they pay for by taxation - that has merit. But - that same concept also applies to anyone else in this country who works for low wages, can't afford health insurance, send their kids to public schools and so forth.
People who rail against the immigrants do so out of fear, ignorance and bigotry... Simple as that.
woah, good points! star
You say you are right.
I say my documented facts prove you wrong.
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Your post is full of "you say" "I say". You demand proof yet you fail to provide any in the first place. So yes that's it.
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"i fail to provide proof because i know this from life experience."-Sorry but life experience has no bearing. Great way to make yourself believable. I can turn around and offer "life experience" to the contrary. You are right about one thing, "i fail". You certainly did.
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" why don't you get to know some yourself?" When did I ever say I didn't know any? Your assumption further makes your statment a failure.
" i can only assume, if you won't give up the resources, that you don't have them" There you go with your assumptions again. Remember what that leads to? How about your resources? Better luck next time.
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jeter I've provided you with plenty of facts supplied by two governmental agencies with a question directed specifically at you asked to disprove my facts instead of just flapping your yapper. Not suprisingly you failed, again. Your intelligence has been displayed here for all to see when you claim governmental FACTS are something "I just make up". You do yourself further damage each time you speak. Learning when not to would serve you well. LOL. You say, "don't listen to him I don't". Funny you say that. If you don't listen to me you wouldn't know what I was talking about and wouldn't have any reason to tell others not to listen. LOL. See ya!
By studies I've seen (one was done in Florida last year) about half pay taxes, but many then get tax credits which are a further subsidy.
However, poor people take more in services than they CAN pay in tax, because they are poor, particularly in education services. When we subsidize our own poor and the poor we let in for legal immigrants, we are not saying we are willing to pay for everybody. Our own schools are failing our own children.
You say what? I'm sorry, but you have no facts and figures. Here are some from a legitimate source:
The Estimated Cost of Illegal Immigration
Illegal alien workers may increase profits for employers, but they are costly to the American taxpayer. Most illegal aliens have low educational attainment, few skills, and they work for low wages, often in the underground economy where they pay no taxes on their earnings. Since about three million illegal aliens gained legal status in the amnesty of 1986, the flow of illegal immigration has increased, and today that population is estimated at 9-11 million illegal alien residents in the country. The former Immigration and Naturalization Service estimated that the illegal alien population was increasing by about half a million aliens per year in 2000.
The Huddle Study
Dr. Donald Huddle, a Rice University economics professor, published a systematic analysis of costs as of 1996 (see table below). The study also estimated the tax payments of those same aliens.
At that time, the illegal alien population was estimated to be about five million persons. The estimated fiscal cost of those illegal aliens to the federal, state and local governments was about $33 billion. This impact was partially offset by an estimated $12.6 billion in taxes paid to the federal, state and local governments, resulting in a net cost to the American taxpayer of about $20 billion every year. This estimate did not include indirect costs that result from unemployment payments to Americans who lost their jobs to illegal aliens willing to work for lower wages. Nor did it include lost tax collections from those American workers who became unemployed. The study estimated those indirect costs from illegal immigration at an additional $4.3 billion annually.
During the years since that estimate, the illegal alien population is estimated to have roughly doubled, so the estimated fiscal costs also will have at least doubled. Furthermore, the passage of time is accompanied by inflation in the costs of services, e.g., school budgets continue to climb. Therefore, what was estimated to be a cost to the American taxpayer of $33 billion in 1996 today would be at least $70 billion. Similarly, tax collections would have increased — sales taxes at least — so that the net expense to the taxpayer from illegal immigration would currently be at least $45 billion. The indirect fiscal costs would have also increased, especially during a period of already high unemployment, to perhaps and additional $10 billion annually.
1996 Costs Table from the Huddle Study 1
Programs (in billions)
Public Education K-12 $5.85
Public Higher Education $0.71
ESL and Bilingual Education $1.22
Food Stamps $0.85
AFDC $0.50
Housing $0.61
Social Security $3.61
Earned Income Tax Credit $0.68
Medicaid $3.12
Medicare A and B $0.58
Criminal Justice and Corrections $0.76
Local Government $5.00
Other Programs $9.25
Total Costs $32.74
Less Taxes Paid $12.59
Net Costs of Direct Services $20.16
Displacement Costs $4.28
All Net Costs $24.44
Other More Recent Estimates
Other estimates have been done on components of the cost of illegal immigration. For example, FAIR estimated in 2003 that the cost of K-12 education for illegal alien children was at least $7.4 billion annually. This would be less than double the about $5.9 billion estimate above, but would be of the same order of magnitude. FAIR’s 2004 report on the medical expenses incurred because of illegal immigration shows uncompensated costs in excess of one billion dollars.
The cost of incarceration of illegal aliens in state prisons has also risen rapidly. In fiscal year ’02, the Department of Justice’s State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) distributed $550 million to the states to help defray their expenses, but this was estimated to cover only about one fifth of their outlays. Between FY'99 and FY'02, alien detention increased by 45 percent (from about 69,300 inmate years to over 100,300 inmate years), and that trend is continuing. These expenses do not include the costs of illegal aliens incarcerated in federal prisons, public safety expenditures, detention pending trial, expenses of trial proceedings, interpretation, public defenders, or the incarceration expenses of immigrants for minor offenses that do not meet the standards of the SCAPP reimbursement program. Therefore, it is clear that outlays for Criminal Justice and Corrections costs is today much greater than double the 1996 estimate.
While the cost of outlays for illegal aliens may be shifted by legislation among the levels of government and the private sector, the fact remains that illegal immigration creates an enormous fiscal burden on America and its citizens — a burden that Congress has levied upon us through short-sighted and haphazard immigration policy and succeeding administrations have aggravated by spotty enforcement of the law.
A Call for Action
Americans should demand that Congress and the administration work together to establish control over our borders and the interior of the country so that we have the assurance that aliens, whether immigrants or visitors, are legally present in the country. That objective is of vital importance for the sake of national security as well as for the impact on our tax bills.
You are right my dear, MOST do pay taxes. And since that is one of their main arguments and you prove them wong they have to find some other way to be anti-illegal. So what do they do? They make up stuff about illegals. Anything that they say I take with a grain of salt.
Don't listen to JConly... I never do. He always wants someone to provide facts. But then he hardly gives proof of the things he claim.And when he does they are so made up.
I didn't know that
another star for llaro
I agree with you 100%. I also remember finding a statistic somewhere that the taxes from illegal immigrants make up 10% of all the taxes in the united states.
Some do most don't...They don't like to pay taxes they complain about it..Especailly sales tax
Yes , you go girl you are very right.I've tried to tell these people about the tax I.D numbers, but they will still argue with you.
i agree 200%
great job!
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