Which immigration scenario would you rather have?
1. Nothing gets done in congress and the immigration situation continues as it has been for years with illegal immigrants crossing our borders and their population steadily increasing.
2. The senate bill passes, legalizing those already here but at the same time shutting down the border and effectively stopping the influx of illegal immigrants.
The fact is that one of these two will happen, and before you respond saying that in option 2 they'll never shut the border down, there's a proposed ammendment to have the funding available the second the bill is signed, so if it passes the enforcement will happen. Nevertheless, which option would you rather have? Give your reason.
Answer:
#2. People that are here illegally need an opportunity to become legal residents. (taxpayers, never convicted of felonies, etc.)
Its funny people are always criticizing that the new bill will make convicts legal, it won't. People get informed and read the bill. Yes if the bill is approved they would be granted an immediate legal status so that they may not be deported- but they will still be submitted to a background check and when the background check comes back if you are a felon your permit/ visa would be revoked.
So people should stop using that excuse for being against amnesty because we all know that the US wouldn't grant convicted felons a legal status...
Well, I was around during the first amnesty and guess what, they didn't do jack to stop the flood. Now they say the same BS again,
fool me once shame on you
fool me twice shame on me
illegals should face forfeiture of all they own before being whipped like Jesus Christ and thrown across the border. Second offense gets summary execution.
I beg to differ. What will probablt happen is that the Senate will legalize the leeches that are already here, then renege on their promise to enforce the borders.
I prefer to make it impossible for them to live and/or work here.
Amnesty has always always always meant an even larger influx of illegals. How are stupid are we to think it won't happen again
Answer...for number 2. of your immigration scenario: how will they "effectively" stop the influx of immigration? Were they planning on putting tanks on the border?
You left out scenario #3.
Deport all illegal aliens. Ban them from any future possible legal immigration. Welcome legal immigration with open arms.
Of course everyon would choose #2, if it were realistic.
The most likely scenario is #3 - A North American Union is formed, to be run by an oligarchy of corporate leaders and bankers from Mexico and the US.
I'd much rather have 1 because then we have the chance to fix it properly and 2 will do away with that chance forever.
It is a putrid bill.
And yes, I did read it.
Both are good lol,I'd probably prefer option one because then there'd be more illegals to piss you off,on second though option 2 is better because then the current ones would be legal and the border would just get some new holes made through it.jejeje
I am for #2. The illegal immigrants that are here, that are working and providing for their families on the low wages and horrible conditions that they currently live in deserve more. I think that guarding our borders is a good thing and more money should be put into it.
I don't think you will find many people that are FOR illegal immigration, but those of us who support the illegal immigrants that are already in the country do so because they are being treated horribly and deserve more.
Option 3 enforce the laws already on the books instead of writing new laws to ignore. If any law is writin make anyone who KNOWINGLY hires a illegal to serve time.
I've read the bill, and there are no solutions in it. It gives criminals and gangbangers Z-Visas. It gives Z-visas even if the backgroud checks aren't back. It's a joke. Dump it and come up with an ENFORCEMENT bill with the wall...then and only then do we talk about increasing quotas on legal aliens. I do NOT want 12-20 MILLION unconvicted felons in my national livingroom with the wave of a damn magic wand.
Why did you not include the best option?
ENFORCE current laws
Secure the border with a fence already approved.
We don't need more legislation, we need enforcement.
Regarding #1: Full stop on allowing Congress to do nothing.
Bring pressure on them to enforce current law.
Regarding#2: Read that dang bill, it opens the door for more and more. NOT AN OPTION!!
Where's the fence!? I believe they passed a bill that 730 miles of fence will be built. Where is it? Last I heard they have put up something like 70 miles. Not near enough. If they won't do that, they also won't shut down the border.
Scenario number 2 is not an option. Oh, and legalizing those already here would include criminals and gang members. Just what we need.
#1.
The status quo is actually preferable to a pretended border shutdown.
The 'illegal' immigrant problem will never even slow down unless employers stop hiring people with questionable or no papers. Realistic federal economic policy and planning to wean major employers off slave labor practices as a standard operating procedure to support their bottom lines is the only way to go; comprehensive criminal convictions and jail time for labor practices that support illegal immigration is the only thing that will work.
The US is at a crossroads. Amnesty simply opens the floodgates to even more people crossing the borders, which is in container ships, by car, by airplane as well as through Mexico, in case you weren't aware. Here in California, there are more than a few millions of people from the Pacific Rim and Eastern Europe that any kind of 'border' solution means nothing to, and they are drawing their friends and relatives into this country regularly.
Don't solve the problems of 50 years ago; things are much different now.
Neither!
FEDS NOW!
FENCE build all of it
ENFORCE the laws on the books
DEPORT all illegals found
SANCTION employers who hire them
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Number two serves my purpose quite well mate.
Those are the only 2 scenarios? I don't think so. How about this. The bill doesn't pass and the laws that were supposed to be enforced after the 86 amnesty will go into effect.
I would support that option over all others because it makes the most sense.
Option 3. This amnesty bill fails and our current laws get enforced.
NEITHER! Bother are disasters!
You forgot about:
3. ENFORCE OUR CURRENT LAWS! We don't need new laws. We currently have laws to fine/jail the employers, a program to check on status (if they would only do it), deport/jail the illegal alien criminals that are here breaking our laws, build the fence!
If you really think that passing the Senate's piece of crap will fix thinks, I have some beautiful ocean beach property to sell you in Oklahoma.
If it passes, we will have the current 20+ million illegals GIVEN legal status, a few will pay fines since most won't care about becoming citizens and that's the only time fines are paid, million more will come in and lie that they've been here since the 1/1/2007 deadline, million more will come due to the family members. Billions more will come for the next round of amnesty since the security measures will never be enforced.
Taxpayers will have to pay an estimated $500,000 over the lifetime of EACH illegal. $2.5 TRILLION will be needed for their Medicare & retirement costs. Bottom line, America goes bankrupt. We can't afford this pile of garbage that is being shoved down our throats!
Honestly, I don't like either choice, but if forced...I would go with #2. However, until we can actually close our borders...it isn't even plausible. I believe that once we can get a handle on the actual people that are here...illegally or not, then we can make some better decisions.
3. Go the f-ck back to Europe.
You're not going to kick us out, you don't have what it takes and never will.
You're not going to kick us out, your businesses need us and your corporations too.
You're not going to kick us out, the people who make your laws don't want war on US soil.
You're not going to kick us out and in a few decades we'll be the majority in your very own army.
You're not going to stop us from coming, fence or no fence, mine fields or no mine fields, even if you put up barbed wire and sharpshooters , etc.
You are NOT going to stop us from coming, amnesty or no amnesty.
So:
GO HOME. RETURN TO EUROPE. YOU'RE NOT WANTED IN THE AMERICAN CONTINENT. GOOD-BYE.
I'd have to say, number two seems like it has the best chance of working. Despite al the raids that have occured, there's still a large number of illegals in the country, and they don't seem to be in a rush to get home. You fine companies if they hire illegals, but then for every 1 company you fine there will be 20 that don't get any sort of penalty. Besides, for many companies, the fine would have to be in the millions of dollars if it is to make it cheaper to hire legal U.S. workers. And if you /do/ make it millions of dollars then it would be unconstitutional(punishment fit the crime). Also, I'm not a pro-illegal or anything, i'm just doing the math. I'm a realist, and idealism when it comes to immigration just won't work. I actually liked the senate bill, because i read some of the actual plan. Once we legalize the ones here, we don't give them the opportunity to bring their extended families here. Also, you make a new immigration system that makes it better for the economy. No more poor immigrants, bring ones that are skilled and can promote the economy. We don't need people who are going to be on welfare. College degrees are necessary, because it's an ability to keep us on the cutting edge. We militarize the border, and put fenses with outposts with national guard troops (with guns and the right to use them, none of this "helping the border patrol" crap on the border. Then once that is done. We'll set up a temporary worker program. I don't like this that much either but it's honestly what needs to be done. Americans won't pick vegetables for 5 bucks an hour, and we already ***** about the price of gas, imagine if the price of what you need to eat gets higher. The illegals here would get visas and after a while will be eligible but at the back of the line. It's not perfect. I don't like mexicans coming to america, but the amount it will cost to ship all these people home will be alot more.
i say number 2. they can slow down the number of people coming in here through the southern border. but not shutting it down completely.
but we can't just have them here and remain "illegal." they aren't going anywhere.
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